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 Posted: 02:19 - 17 Feb 2008 Post subject: Watchdog backs motorcyclist in turban battle |
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Watchdog backs motorcyclist in turban battle
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Feb 15, 2008 04:30 AM
Bob Mitchell
Staff Reporter
The Ontario Human Rights Commission has ridden to the defence of a Brampton man who says being forced to wear a motorcycle helmet instead of his turban runs counter to his religious faith.
Baljinder Badesha, above, who was charged by Peel police in September 2005 with failing to wear a helmet, said he understands the inherent dangers of riding a motorcycle without a helmet but is willing to take the risk to follow his Sikh tenets.
"I know it is for safety, but people die in car accidents all the time," the 39-year-old owner of a used car dealership said yesterday outside a Brampton court. He is fighting a $110 ticket he received for wearing his turban instead of a helmet while riding his motorcycle on Queen St. in Brampton near Hwy. 410.
Now the Ontario Human Rights Commission is siding with him, insisting Badesha is being discriminated against.
"Telling Mr. Badesha to choose between his religion or participating in the normal life of Ontario is discrimination," Scott Hutchison, an attorney for the human rights commission, told a Brampton court yesterday.
"Roads and riding a motorcycle are something that is available to everybody in Ontario provided they wear a helmet. But that condition makes it impossible for Mr. Bedesha and everybody of the Sikh religion. That amounts to discrimination."
He said the Human Rights code "prevails" over the Highway Traffic Act (HTA). Forcing him to wear his helmet "infringes on his human dignity," Hutchison said.
Badesha hasn't ridden his motorcycle since he received his ticket.
"I was riding for three or four weeks. They caught me one day and gave me a ticket," said Badesha, outside of the courtroom. "I haven't ridden since."
The married father of four has also been prevented from test-riding motorcycles sold at his dealership.
Having previously resided in British Columbia, where Sikhs are exempt from wearing helmets, he said he didn't know it was against the law in Ontario. Court heard that Manitoba also makes the exemption as does the United Kingdom, Hong Kong and India.
In an affidavit entered in court, Badesha said he had a "sincere" belief that he was obligated under the tenets of his faith to wear a turban at all times when outside his home.
"We want an exemption for our religion," he said outside court.
Hutchison said Badesha would not be required to take off his turban if he went into a restaurant that had a requirement for people to take off their hats.
"The code would apply," he said.
Should Justice James Blacklock acquit Badesha on the grounds he was discriminated against, Hutchison said it would not prohibit officers from laying charges against other Sikhs, who would have to seek similar relief from the courts.
The trial continues today.
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Gaol the bastart.
If it messes with his religion then he shouldn't ride a bike on the public highway.
Paying taxes interferes with my religion but I know I still have to do it if I wish to live among the rest of society.
How much of his argument is just a bullshit anti-helmet facade?
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This sort of reminds me of that episode of only fools and horses the turbinator,
Anyway its hardly abuse of religion , its more like they are willing to stand up and do something about it, here in the UK government does something , many people moan about it and do nothing etc.
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Why doesn't someone just make a turban that complies to the helmet protection standards?  |
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I'm after a new kidney, I think riding without a helmet should be encouraged, I'd have a much better chance of getting one sooner.
Religion may require him to wear a turban, but where does it say he has to ride a motorbike ????????????????????????  |
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| Moonie wrote: | | Joe wrote: | The 'you must wear a helmet' law is bollocks anyway. Surely the choice should lie with the individual? When have you ever heard of a 3rd party being killed because a rider wasn't wearing a helmet and that had he been wearing one the 3rd party would have survived?
Tell you what as we all need protecting from ourselves, let's ban motorbikes and cars altogether. They're dangerous you see? |
well how about wasting NHS time and money on coming and trying to save the guys life/scraping him out of the gutter, thus not being able to attend to somebody that was injured without making a ridiculous personal choice that put themselves at a serious unneeded risk?
If you don't wear a helmet you don't deserve medical treatment when you f**k yourself over. |
You mean the NHS time and money are taxes pay for? This national health service which responds to our problems because we are opted in automatically to pay for it? Why should we care about making their job easier. Is it ok for professional fighters to do that because they pay for private healthcare? Could it not be argued that in the same vein we pay for private healthcare, just as a country.
Theres a whole picture, and it all boils down to the same things about people being told what to do and when to do it.
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I take two gee-gees out for hacks over rough countryside.
Always wear my hat. And only on the road briefly.
It should not need to be law.
It is just a wee bit of common.
More injuries horse riding than bikes/horse rode I bet.
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Ok you guys, having read your arguments, I'm not afraid to say that I was wrong. You've made me see a couple of bad points.
New Point of view:
if your dense enough to not wear a helmet you deserve to die when you crash
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 23 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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