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PostPosted: 14:09 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Pedigree dogs, Malamute in specific. Reply with quote

Heya folks.
I used to have a collie/husky called Scamp. I got him when I was in primary three and he died last year at the ripe old age of 15.

Then yesterday I found my cat dead in the ditch when I went to feed her, she was 11. So I'm currently pet-less.

My parents used to own a German Shepard called Rommel, and a mongrel called lady.

Anyway, the thing is I'd quite like to buy a new dog.
I'm not sure wither to rescue a wee abandoned mongrel, or to go for a properly bred pedigree.

I know what I want in the dog, it has to be BIG, intelligent, affectionate, loyal, and hardy enough to spend most of its time outdoors, and some nights in the woods every so often.

So I ask, pedigree dogs, initial expense of a Malamute is about £700, but I'm guessing vets and that will be £££ too, how much a year am I looking?

I also know pedigree dogs usually have shorter lifespans, what sort of age?

With a pedigree tho I could always see about studding him. Or even get a pair somewhere down the line and breed them myself.


Anyone have a pedigree big dog? What are your experiences.


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PostPosted: 14:28 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A dog really is a dog.

I personally like to have dogs that need rehoming.

They get a home and you get a loyal pet, they normally show plenty of affection and have something in their character different to just getting a puppy.

As if somehow events on their lives have shaped them, a little like people.

You can rescue pedigree dogs you know, they aint all mongrels.

Never had a bad experience with a rescue dog, you just need to choose the right on for you. With all the nob heads that get dogs without doing their research first then realise the dog is too much there is never a shortage of dogs to be re-homed, sadly.

If you get a malamute, it will be warm in the summer and you need loads of time to give them the exercise they require, I would say far more than an hour a day to be fair to the dog.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not had a big pedigree dog but we used to have a Springer Spaniel and had no end of health problems with him. Since then we've only had rescue dogs and the vet's bills have dropped tremendously.

Personally I would say to go for a rescue dog as there are so many of them out there needing good homes, but of course the choice is yours Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A malamute is the dog I wanted before I got another German shepherd and there is a breeder in NI up near Lurgan, ask wildkat she knows her. Anyway Darrens sister has a malamute and its a nightmare! you cannot train them at all or have them about your house they wreak the place. They are not really meant as pets, working dogs.

They are gorgeous looking dogs and would love to own one but they actually where responsible for the highest attacks on poeple there for a few years. (ate Darrens sisters bird and ripped its head off in front of the kids!)

I love the German Shepherds they are easy to train and well behaved, except when they are pups and my bin is ripped apart but they are quick learners. Bruce I got from Drogheda dogs home, have a look on their site they only charge £45 for a dog and they vacinate etc. They are both full bread. And have not cost that much in vets bills.

Long as you have time to walk them a lot also, they hate being left a lone and seem to suffer depressions when their owners are away for just a few hours also.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the warped one wrote:
Ok that is the biggest load of fucking bullshit ever, Malamutes would never attack another human unless it was provoked they are breed to protect humans, it is in there instinked, i remember once when i was playing with the ex's the dog turned around a accidently bit my face no scratches or blood just caught it, he then realised what he had done and went and hid under the table and would not come out until i called him, they are not aggressive dogs, if you show them affection and love, they are said to have the intellegence of a 9year old, they know when they have been bad, and if you have 2 the other will punish the bad one, i know i have seen it and the way they do it does not look nice but they have extremely dense hair and can take alot of abuse (from a biting side of things) just shw them love and they will show it back, the ex's dogs even got on with the cat, lizard and hamster.

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ALL dogs have the potential to bite, not every ones experiences are the same.

Any way, he was asking about PROPER malamutes.

The ones you keep talking about were not the normal malamutes, the are inbred/cross bred to create a taller dog.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok take those sort of dogs to Crufts, see if you can enter them into breed specific competitions for malamutes.

You wont be able to as they don't meet the breed standard.


UK Breed Standards for the malamute.
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Height: dogs: 64-71 cms (25-28 ins); bitches: 58-66 cms (23-26 ins). Weight between 38-56 kgs (85-125 lbs), size consideration not to outweigh type.



So if it doesn't fit in that then it isn't the standard, if it is isn't in the breed standard then it's not the most desirable form of malamute and not seen as a "proper" malamute.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have its relative, a Siberian Husky, of which many of their traits are similar. First off Malamutes are big...! They are a working breed (like the Husky) so will need lots of exercise. I would expect to have furniture destroyed, but it's not guarenteed. Huskies are the same and ours has never chewed anything in the house (the garden's a different matter, it looks like a bloody battlefield!).

dragonfly wrote:
They are gorgeous looking dogs and would love to own one but they actually where responsible for the highest attacks on poeple there for a few years. (ate Darrens sisters bird and ripped its head off in front of the kids!)


Confused Malamutes are not known for being aggresive towards humans at all, let alone being responsible for the "highest attacks on people". Other animals, however, are a different matter. They are a pure breed with a natural hunting instinct. Our Husky is the softest animal you could meet (with people) yet she is highly skilled at catching rodents, birds, rabbits etc. I dare say your sister's bird would have fared the same with her, but it doesn't mean that she'll rip your face off (although she might lick you to death!) Wink
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

get a rottweiler !!

big strong agile fast awsome dogs
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the warped one wrote:

during the lastcentury they were massively inbread, and the true malamute, almost dissappeared but in the 1930's they were reastablisted as a pure breed and the work is still going on today the get the breed well and truely back to its former glory.



For a brief period during the Klondike Gold Rush of 1896, the Malamute and other sled dogs became extremely valuable to recently landed prospectors and settlers, and were frequently crossbred with imported breeds. This was often an attempt to improve the type, or to make up for how few true Malamutes were up for sale. This seems to have had no long standing effect on the modern Malamute, and recent DNA analysis shows that Malamutes are one of the oldest breeds of dog, genetically distinct from other dog breeds.


Well I don't know what they are working towards, as that bit above the breed (true) says there were no long standing effects of the cross breeding.

So that brings us back to dogs that are a completely different height not being "proper".


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please do not think that i am someone trying to show off or have just read a website and think i know everything


Perhaps you should have. Wink

That information can be found in seconds on wiki.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recon you should go for the biggest dog in the world (at least in its own mind) the Mighty Jack Russel Terrier Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont own dogs, but can someone explain to me the attraction of pedigree dogs/cats

Surely Genetic diversity leads to healthy animals, much like humans?

And surely if dogs are bred from a small gene pool then they are going to have many more health problems and so bigger vets bills?

Or am i missing the point completely...

The whole thing just reminds me of the royal family with queen victorias haemophilia...
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDonUK wrote:


And surely if dogs are bred from a small gene pool then they are going to have many more health problems and so bigger vets bills?



That bit works both ways though, they can also breed disorders out and keep them that way, hence trying to keep the breeding lines.

I agree with the rest of it though, I have had pedigree's and mongrels and you look at them all the same way, with pride and as daft as it is when your dog is affectionate its doesn't matter what sort of dog you have, you get a bond.

The staffy I have at the mo is a rescue dog and a pedigree apparently, it doesn't bother me he just our dog.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The information on the breed standard is from the UK Kennel club.

Breed standards are set by them, wiki linked me to it.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK for all thats arguing about the malamute attacking thing, I read this on a webpage for a dogs home. I dont necessarily think its true I mean apparently my dogs are dangerous but then all dogs can be if they are cornered. You never hear poeple actually say what happened to the dog to cause it to bite,do you? no because it was probably frightened. My two dogs are nice and gentle and will lick my cats to death and the cats love them, and these two cats are the fussiest cats ever and have lived with out being near a dog for 8 years and took to them instantly.

In the case of Darrens sisters dog, she has not trained it at all! has the run of the house. My opinion anyway, they will disagree. It did eat the birds head off, mine would have just licked it for a bit also. Just a mad dog, them types are in all breeds.

That was just a bit of info i threw in there that was all. Its horrible when you have nice big dog and people shout at you and cause a fuss to get it away and say that it shouldn't be allowed out! I had a massive row in the street with a woman over my dog being in my front garden when she was over on the other side walking her ankle biters, she told me to take them away. My dog didn't even see her she was that far away. Apparently they should be put down she said and not allowed in peoples homes because they attack poeple

Twisted Evil ps I have been trying to run over her mops for a while as they go for me on the bike all the time when she is out.

Edit I have this nice pic in my computer if anyone would like it.Not sure where I came across it.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:


Twisted Evil ps I have been trying to run over her mops for a while as they go for me on the bike all the time when she is out.


Would it be a different story if someone tried running your dogs over as they didn't like them?

Roads are to run over.

Dogs are to be put in kebabs.

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PostPosted: 18:06 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
dragonfly wrote:


Twisted Evil ps I have been trying to run over her mops for a while as they go for me on the bike all the time when she is out.


Would it be a different story if someone tried running your dogs over as they didn't like them?

Roads are to run over.

Dogs are to be put in kebabs.

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My dogs don't try and dismount bikers and possibly kill them on moving bikes. She dosnt even have them on a lead and they dart out of bushes and cars are swerving everywhere to avoid them. I have called to the house and asked her to please close her gates and keep dogs off roads. Ignored me.My life before someone elses dogs,sorry. Dont think someone like that should be allowed animals if they are not prepared to look after their safety and not care about others safety. Her dogs could be killed by me, I could be killed, car drivers and god knows who else could be killed by them causing a traffic accident.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonfly, it seems a quiet word with the local plod seems in order here. That other dog owner isnt being very responsible. When we take ours out they are always on leads so they cant run in the road. One of ours thinks that anyone on a bike is me, so she trys to get to them, i think her eyes and ears are a bit worn out Smile
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonfly, it seems a quiet word with the local plod seems in order here. That other dog owner isnt being very responsible. When we take ours out they are always on leads so they cant run in the road. One of ours thinks that anyone on a bike is me, so she trys to get to them, i think her eyes and ears are a bit worn out Smile
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeWat wrote:
Dragonfly, it seems a quiet word with the local plod seems in order here. That other dog owner isnt being very responsible. When we take ours out they are always on leads so they cant run in the road. One of ours thinks that anyone on a bike is me, so she trys to get to them, i think her eyes and ears are a bit worn out Smile


Dont want to go off topic in this thread, but yes I am going to call someone. You think that the time the dogs came out and the oncoming jeep on my opposite side swerving hitting the horn and them screaming in their driveway for the dogs would have made them put them away. That was a few months ago. I dread going past if there is oncoming cars they just dart out. There is another house that did the same, bad corner and the dogs where always on the road. Always speeding cars on that road to. Not seen them in a year, either they where killed or they are put away. I dont walk my dog without a lead and ether and poeple still give off when passing and the dog couldnt give a crap about them.

Anyway sorry for the off topic. I am still saying go with German shepherd, get a female they are more attached to the males. I also have a male and he is glued to my side, they seem to go for opposites. Call into mine some day Gary and you can meet mine, bring riot gear one is highly excitable when poeple enter and will lick you.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
My life before someone elses dogs,sorry.


That bit is fair enough.


But you quite clearly said you TRY to run them over. That isnt really a case of your life before someone elses dogs, thats a case of you trying to kill someones dogs.

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Twisted Evil ps I have been trying to run over her mops for a while as they go for me on the bike all the time when she is out.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh ffs Gov you would argue with your own shadow wouldn't you! Rolling Eyes yeah sure I want to run them over, possibly kill myself and wreak my bike. Yeah thats a good idea. Rolling Eyes
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