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PostPosted: 16:13 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Bike oil Vs Car oil Reply with quote

I don't buy bike oil, here's why....

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PostPosted: 16:38 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many more oil threads are we going to have this month?

And that article was written 18 years ago - A lot of our bikes weren't even designed or made when they wrote that.

Therefore I conclude that it is about as valid as the pope's views on my riding technique. Not to mention the fact that it came from MCN. Some things don't change.

I use Castrol GP4, not because Castrol say 'we designed this for bikes,' but because a) Honda say they recommend it, and b) because it's the same price as quality car oil. It also offers me piece of mind that I'm not damaging my engine when I rag it to the redline in 1st.

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PostPosted: 16:47 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
I use Castrol GP4, not because Castrol say 'we designed this for bikes,' but because a) Honda say they recommend it


Do they? Can't find my manual for your model of CBR600 but fairly sure it just lists a low grade Honda 10W40 oil without mentioning anything about motorcycle specifc oils.

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PostPosted: 17:13 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And that article was written 18 years ago - A lot of our bikes weren't even designed or made when they wrote that.


Never mind how much oils have been devolped as well.

The main problem is all the additives that they add that are not kind to wet clutches.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
The main problem is all the additives that they add that are not kind to wet clutches.


Exactly the same was claimed by many people then.

Some oils do cause a problem. Most don't.

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PostPosted: 17:18 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Do they? Can't find my manual for your model of CBR600 but fairly sure it just lists a low grade Honda 10W40 oil without mentioning anything about motorcycle specifc oils.


It does. It says use API grade SE, SF or SG. Castrol GP is SG-rated.

However the mechanics down at my local Honda garage swear by it. They always use it when servicing bikes. If it's good enough for them...
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
It does. It says use API grade SE, SF or SG. Castrol GP is SG-rated.


That is just a fairly low grade oil, for normal spark ignition engines. Nothing motorcycle specific about it except that you would have difficult buying such a low spec car oil these days (the cheap mineral BP Visco 2000 that I was paying £1 a litre for is a higher spec).

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PostPosted: 20:34 - 15 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

"That is just a fairly low grade oil, for normal spark ignition engines. Nothing motorcycle specific about it except that you would have difficult buying such a low spec car oil these days (the cheap mineral BP Visco 2000 that I was paying £1 a litre for is a higher spec). " - Kickstart

I totally agree. IIRC most car oils are up to the much higher SL or SM spec. The extra additives in some oils are just friction reducers, hence their effect on clutches. No damage should occur from using these oils for everyday riding.

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PostPosted: 10:31 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to drag this "yet another oil" thread on, but I was in Halfords yesterday moochin' around comtemplating my next oil change, as you do. Anyway, what I was wondering was; my bike had Castrol 1 GPS 4T in it when I bought it and the guy I bought it off gave me another 4 litres for the next oil change. Well I've done the oil change and will be looking to buy some more oil in the next month or so. Castrol is API SJ - JASO MA rated, whereas Halfords own bike oil is SL and ACEA rated.

How different are these oils? Is the Halfords "better" or "worse" than the Castrol. Reason I ask is the Castrol is £28/4L and Halfords is £22/5L so it just makes economic sense if there's little difference.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off... step away from the Halfords!

Try Busters for cheaper oil:
https://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=564345

Though, you'd have to check up if they charge delivery, obviously.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers G, Buster's have the 10w40 for £23.60 + £4.95 P&P so if i do decide on Castrol I'm as well buying it from the local dealers.

Incidentally my mechanic uses Motul 5000 when he does a service and I can get 4L for £18, is that any good?
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
Do they? Can't find my manual for your model of CBR600 but fairly sure it just lists a low grade Honda 10W40 oil without mentioning anything about motorcycle specifc oils.


It does. It says use API grade SE, SF or SG. Castrol GP is SG-rated.

However the mechanics down at my local Honda garage swear by it. They always use it when servicing bikes. If it's good enough for them...
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That would have nothing to do with honda and castrol partnership honda use and stock mostly castrol and they get a big chunk off the price Wink Off course not because mr honda wants whats best for you and your bike not line his pockets Wink
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with the Halfrauds oil LeeR, the SL spec is later and minutely better than SJ. I understand that some people really do worry about their motors but there is simply no need for all the worry unless you ride a very powerful sports bike to it's limits. In fact, you are better off using a cheaper oil with more frequent servicing. I use this stuff, 10w40 semi-synthetic only £13 a bottle. Oil change every 3k.

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PostPosted: 18:20 - 16 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i worked in the bp and castrol blending and bottling plants in new zealand,
and i can tell you for a fact, that the difference between car and bike oil is next to nothing, 1ml per 1000litres is the difference in 1 additive,
the base is all the same oil (although obvisously synthetic is different from mineral Very Happy)
you are wasting your time and money buying a comparable bike to car oil.

but some people have more money than sense,
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 17 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use the Castrol GTX 10/40 stuff in all my bikes (1200 bandit and GSX1400), i.e. the 'cage' stuff ... never had a problem ... and I don't hang about.

All the best ... Barry
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 17 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever's in the garage at the time?.. Maybe just me then.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 17 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Halfords stuff was almost £18 for a 5 litre bottle last time I checked Shocked . Bit steep.

So now I use Wickes own brand oil - £10.99 for 5 litres. Just bog standard 10w40 stuff. No problems with the GPZ after 45k miles. I change every 3k.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 17 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for information. I used castrol GTX for years but of late I have been using Motoul motorcycle oil from Hein Gericke. Comes in a 5l container at around £20-25. They were doing a free oil and air filter with every tub of oil.

I don't know if this offer is still on but it made it a worthwhile exercise for me.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 18 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:

And that article was written 18 years ago - A lot of our bikes weren't even designed or made when they wrote that.

Therefore I conclude that it is about as valid as the pope's views on my riding technique.


Of course nobody in the world owns a bike thats over twenty years old do they. Especially as AFAIK Ratbikernotts owns a Honda Bros, which was circa 1988.

Timmeh wrote:

I use Castrol GP4...........because a) Honda say they recommend it.......

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH no no seriously, of course its got NOTHING to do with the MASSIVE backhander Mr Oil Manufacturer gives to Mr Honda! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not certain that they even do recommend GP4 by name?


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PostPosted: 15:14 - 18 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
i worked in the bp and castrol blending and bottling plants in new zealand,
and i can tell you for a fact, that the difference between car and bike oil is next to nothing, 1ml per 1000litres is the difference in 1 additive,
the base is all the same oil (although obvisously synthetic is different from mineral Very Happy)
you are wasting your time and money buying a comparable bike to car oil.

but some people have more money than sense,


Couldnt have put it better myself Clapping
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 18 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
And that article was written 18 years ago - A lot of our bikes weren't even designed or made when they wrote that.

I use Castrol GP4, not because Castrol say 'we designed this for bikes,' but because a) Honda say they recommend it, and b) because it's the same price as quality car oil. It also offers me piece of mind that I'm not damaging my engine when I rag it to the redline in 1st.

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Castrol GP4 has been about for a VERY long time. Certainly longer than 18 years ago. I have never been able to find a single person who can tell me the difference between Castorl GP and castrol GTX (other than it being more expensive for a smaller bottle, yes go out and check. Castrol GP comes in 4l bottles, car oil comes in 5l bottles, you fell for it.).

Oh, and Honda made their first 400cc V4 engine (from which yours is derived) in 1983.
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