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Funny enough, my parents used to have a Nissan Almera (Sp?) that was converted. Makes hardly any real world difference really performance wise apparently, just the initial cost (they paid £1800 for the conversion) that puts me off.
Get a test drive would be my suggestion. Not sure if some cars take to it better. ____________________ TheShaggyDA: I've got 3 or 4 pairs that predate my wife, so at least 11.5 years old. |
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I got told that if your in a accident in a lpg car firemen wouldn't come and cut you out as its to dangerous as it could go up any second.  |
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No put they have stickers on them don't they so people know. Why are they not allowed in tunnels if there more secure colin ?
And to be honest i do believe him because he came in talking about fuels and engine and obviously knows his shit and has know reason to lie.
He said he got told at a presentation some firefighters did to show some joyriders. He then explained what firefighter do at a accident and so on.
Maybe its something to look up and if im wrong ill hold my hands up.  |
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I don't like the idea, because LPG is less efficient than petrol, we should not be embracing anything if it is less efficient than current systems, I feel. That is simply going for the temporary solution whilst there is a big push on environment related crap.
So, as soon as it becomes popular, and significant loss is being made by the govt in revenue, they will just tax the arse out of it like everything else. And your benefits in congestion charging zones will also be dropped.
I toyed with the idea for a while, but didn't like its lack of availibility, you can't roll onto a forecourt on fumes and /know/ you will be able to fill up.
Since no car should be advertised as Green in my eyes (and those of many others) because they all do some harm, just some less than others.
Because the cost savings aren't significant enough as people would have you believe.. I just say bollocks to it, until they sort alternative transport out I will drive what I like.
Totally unrelated...
London buses are now carrying adverts about more fuel efficient driving, and how it can save you an average of something like £120 quid a year , obviously at the expense of enjoying your driving experience. What a load of old nonsense. ____________________ So in other words, he stopped you for being flagrantly in posession of a motorcycle in direct contravention of the Hippies, Darkies and People Whose Face I Don't Like The Look of (Police Powers) Act. 1976 |
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I don't like the idea, because LPG is less efficient than petrol, we should not be embracing anything if it is less efficient than current systems, I feel. That is simply going for the temporary solution whilst there is a big push on environment related crap.
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So what you are suggesting is that we just use up only one natural resource instead of sharing the burden among many?
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So, as soon as it becomes popular, and significant loss is being made by the govt in revenue, they will just tax the arse out of it like everything else. And your benefits in congestion charging zones will also be dropped.
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But until they do why not use it?
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I toyed with the idea for a while, but didn't like its lack of availibility, you can't roll onto a forecourt on fumes and /know/ you will be able to fill up.
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Which is why virtually all systems are dual fuel and retain the original fuel tank.
A single 70 litre tank in the boot would give you over 500miles in range ON TOP of the range from your standard tank.
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Since no car should be advertised as Green in my eyes (and those of many others) because they all do some harm, just some less than others.
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And yet LPG is a by product of the petroleum industry and burns clean so is better than petrol.
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Because the cost savings aren't significant enough as people would have you believe.. I just say bollocks to it, until they sort alternative transport out I will drive what I like.
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But they are enough and as petrol prices continue to rise becomes better. |
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| Quote: | So what you are suggesting is that we just use up only one natural resource instead of sharing the burden among many? |
not at all, invest the time and money wasted on LPG, into better more efficient methods of power for the car
| Quote: | But until they do why not use it? |
Because of the high cost or buying an LPG car, or converting it (assuming you dont carry out the work yourself, which may well be cheaper) just for the benefits to be null a few years down the line
| Quote: | Which is why virtually all systems are dual fuel and retain the original fuel tank.
A single 70 litre tank in the boot would give you over 500miles in range ON TOP of the range from your standard tank. |
Same could be said of fitting a second large petrol tank... invalid point imo, I don't want to have to visit several stations to fill up the car, its already enough of a PITA to simply fill up a car as it is, as more and more stations become mini supermarkets, the queue gets longer and the staff become less good at their job (off topic)
| Quote: | And yet LPG is a by product of the petroleum industry and burns clean so is better than petrol. |
Better than petrol, but not by a lot in real terms when you look into the figures, in terms of percentages I found they weren't far apart. Was referring more specifically to the impact of car production, in reference to no car being green, regardless of the fuel used, all cars have to be produced by an industrial process that is inherently bad for the environment, as well as the waste at the end of the cars use.
| Quote: | But they are enough and as petrol prices continue to rise becomes better. |
I won't deny its appealing which is why i considered it for a while, but the rising cost of petrol (diesel specically for me) isn't acceptable, and disregarding the rising cost of crude oil, there is no reason we should be paying so much.
I could run on vegetable oil or add acetone to my fuel to get vastly cheaper fuel or better mileage respectively, but both of these will damage my particular engine (/fuel pump) in the long term (Transit 2.5DI) ____________________ So in other words, he stopped you for being flagrantly in posession of a motorcycle in direct contravention of the Hippies, Darkies and People Whose Face I Don't Like The Look of (Police Powers) Act. 1976 |
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Guy at work, sold his petrol car to get an LPG, some vauxhall thing, it allows him to park outside work without paying the congestion charge (our building is 500yds inside the north west corner of the zone at the harrow road/ladbroke grove sainsburys anomaly.
He has the option of taking a van home, on the companys diesel, but prefers to park outside, do his job, go home in his own car and leave work behind, he lives in Brixton.
If work removed the option of taking the motors home, thus eliminating 90% of my commuting costs, I would consider an LPG or similar more seriously (or more realistically find a job closer to home).
But at the moment, my personal mileage doesn't justify it as much as it would for some. ____________________ So in other words, he stopped you for being flagrantly in posession of a motorcycle in direct contravention of the Hippies, Darkies and People Whose Face I Don't Like The Look of (Police Powers) Act. 1976 |
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| WildGoose wrote: | not at all, invest the time and money wasted on LPG, into better more efficient methods of power for the car |
LPG has been used for decades in different countries, just no reason until recently to use it in the UK. So no money is wasted on LPG development, merely some people can spend a bit on a conversion if it will save them money in the long term.
| WildGoose wrote: | Because of the high cost or buying an LPG car, or converting it (assuming you dont carry out the work yourself, which may well be cheaper) just for the benefits to be null a few years down the line |
Compared to the costs of depreciation for almost any new car, the extra cost of conversion / buying a dual fuel car is nominal.
| WildGoose wrote: | Was referring more specifically to the impact of car production, in reference to no car being green, regardless of the fuel used, all cars have to be produced by an industrial process that is inherently bad for the environment, as well as the waste at the end of the cars use. |
True, and exactly the same applies to any vehicle (including buses and trains), and pretty much anything humans use. Best solution to that is to make the things last longer, but the "greens" instead have a short term vision and push for the early replacement of perfectly servicable vehicles for some nominal saving in day to day useage impact.
All the best
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theres no reason not to do it really, if you are going to keep the car for a long time. a bloke at work told me a company he used to drive for used 1.6 lpg astras, from buying them new to selling, they did around 200 - 250k miles. 225,000 miles at 30mpg, assuming lpg is 50p and petrol 100p, saves you £16,875 over the life of the car, or £15,375 including conversion.
also, i saw a renault laguna the other day with one of the green square ompressed gas stickers on the back, pretty sure that was LPG. ____________________ killa wrote: Im an ass man myself |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 142 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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