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bigjim
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Err What was that ?? Feel a bit stupid ! Reply with quote

Pulled off from a set of lights this morning on the R6 and a 4x4 Merc next to me decided I was going to have it, so to ensure I was safely in front of him and out of his way I gave it a lot of berry’s Twisted Evil

The handle bars started shaking quite a bit, I dipped the clutch and it stopped and went up a gear and hard on it again no problems.

After discussing said incident with a mate he thinks I just had the front wheel up a bit, I assumed it was a mini tank slapper of some sort. Feel a bit: oops: as I have never had the front wheel up before!!

Is this going to be a common occurrence and should I be thinking about a steering damper? Or is it just a knee jerk reaction like the first time the back end stepped out on me Laughing

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PostPosted: 11:01 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sound like your front wheel may be a touch out of ballance. jack the front end up and test it by spinning, if it always stops at the same point it is in need of balancing.
Edit.... How are your tyre pressures, are your wheels in line?
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pressures are spot on and the bike has only done 680 miles, hope yamaha didnt cock something up on the first service. Ill have to have a look.

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PostPosted: 11:11 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the front coming up a bit and the wheel coming down a touch crossed up causing a wobble. If it was a tank slapper you'd know about it.

Forget the steering damper and get the suspension set up properly.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your front wheel was possibly 'skimming' over the road surface as the front went light. When this happens the imperfections in the road surface cause the bars to oscillate, or slightly twitch. Nothing to worry about and stops as soon as the front wheel takes the bike's weight again.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

front just crested, slightly off the ground. it will happen, no biggie
you will notice it more if you go hammering along a non smooth road or hit random bumps while nailing it
damper's are good tho Thumbs Up but this wouldnt be cause for one
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Probably the front coming up a bit and the wheel coming down a touch crossed up causing a wobble. If it was a tank slapper you'd know about it.

Forget the steering damper and get the suspension set up properly.


Its already booked in for a setup with Kais performance, earliest I could get was three weeks Sad Must be good thou if their that busy !! Laughing

Cheers guys !!
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigjim wrote:
Joe wrote:
Probably the front coming up a bit and the wheel coming down a touch crossed up causing a wobble. If it was a tank slapper you'd know about it.

Forget the steering damper and get the suspension set up properly.


Its already booked in for a setup with Kais performance, earliest I could get was three weeks Sad Must be good thou if their that busy !! Laughing

Cheers guys !!


If it didn't spit you off, then it wasn't a tankslapper, it was just a headshake and they are 'supposed' to be fun! Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they said above.

But I'd advise you to get a damper ASAP, unless you're never going to give it the berries again. You WILL eventually come out of a corner hard, cranked over, and hit an irregularity while on the gas with the front a bit light, and then it'll be too late.

It's around £250 vs life & limb. A no-brainer really.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
What they said above.
It's around £250 vs life & limb. A no-brainer really.


Any recommendations ? any reviews anywhere worth looking at ?

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PostPosted: 12:07 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi

um i feel like im on a different planet

tank slapper, berries!?

help, what are you talking about

(as a cg125 rider, you understand there is nothing fruity about my bike)
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

boredatwork wrote:
hi
um i feel like im on a different planet
tank slapper, berries!?
help, what are you talking about
(as a cg125 rider, you understand there is nothing fruity about my bike)


"giving it some berries" is just slang for opening the throttle as far as possible to go as quick as possible Very Happy

Check this page out and watch the video for a famous tank slapper, it explains it better than I ever could Wink

https://www.msgroup.org/tip.aspx?num=190

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PostPosted: 12:45 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised you have never had headshake out of your thundercat.

I generally feel that a steering damper is unneccesary for most situations - you are dulling feedback from your bike.

Just beacuse this is the first time it happened to you, which made you feel anxious, you are considering something to try and prevent it happening again. My view is that a small amount of headshake is not a problem, and gives you important information about how your bike is coping with situations.

The more you experience it, the more comfortable you will become with it, and indeed expect to get a bit of movement. It's nothing to worry about.

I think the general accepted opinion is that a steering damper will never prevent a proper tankslapper, but just dulls these small shakes. I'd rather have the shake (which I used to get regularly on the SRAD), and know what the bike is up to.

Waste of money in my view.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigjim wrote:

"giving it some berries" is just slang for opening the throttle as far as possible to go as quick as possible Very Happy

Check this page out and watch the video for a famous tank slapper, it explains it better than I ever could Wink

https://www.msgroup.org/tip.aspx?num=190

Jim[/u]


owwwwwww! that doesnt look funny at all.

thanks jim..
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure (99%) that your R6 came with a steering damper Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get this all the time on the VFR, 10k+ in first and second are no go areas if I want to avoid headshake.

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PostPosted: 14:45 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dampers and suspension set up meh!

Just sounds like the front got light and left the ground a bit, to be expected when you give 115bhp to your rear wheel from a standing start Laughing

Scares the shizzle out of you if you dont expect it but you'll get used to it Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was about 15k when it started Laughing

trevoriv wrote:
Dampers and suspension set up meh!

Just sounds like the front got light and left the ground a bit, to be expected when you give 115bhp to your rear wheel from a standing start Laughing

Scares the shizzle out of you if you dont expect it but you'll get used to it Mr. Green

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PostPosted: 15:07 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigjim wrote:
I was about 15k when it started Laughing


Only a couple of thousand left to go then! Should have just held it on then knocked it up the box Thumbs Up

Do it again next time you go out, you'll be ready for the movement this time. Keep loose on the bars and let them shake it out.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigjim wrote:
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Any recommendations ? any reviews anywhere worth looking at ?

Jim


Or learn to wheelie while cranked over.

Oh yes I am serious. Twisted Evil
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