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Hi
Sticky tyres work when hot. Unless you are going to really push it (which could easily see you having a short life on the road) then they are not going to be better than the sports touring tyres, just last less time and probably work far worse in the wet.
Problem seems to be that you went over a dodgy bit of road. The tyres are not the problem. The road is.
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I have the cheapest tyres for my sizing. I think they are BT45s. I was happy with them when they came on it, and seeing the receipts for them and the time and mileage between them, I'm quite happy with them.
I assume they are fine for commuting, as the previous owner commutes a lot, but there is a distinct lackage of hero blobs, so it would seem they are fine for cranking over probably giving it some too.
I don't think its the tyres. You should ride in all weathers more. I noticed in the ice the back would slide out considerably, not dangerously as long as you just backed off and didn't lean against it. On white lines its not a problem at all. Think how big a white line is, then think how big a drain cover is, then think how bad an entire road of ice is. As soon as it the tyre leaves whichever one, it regains traction.
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Think about the tyres. You get some super grippy ones like the racers and what happens to them when a racer goes off line onto the dirty stuff......
The tyre picks up all the crap and its a while before its cleaned off so they can go full tilt again. So in effect they will be even worse on the road, which is covered in rubbish.
Stick to what you have got if they are fine the rest of the time. Hone you senses and try to avoid the crap on the road while on a angle. ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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I`ve only just got this bike and i really don`t want it going in for repairs over summer coz the rubber let me down.......so i think i need some really sticky ones next to deal with the power...(no touring tryes!!)
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Sounds like the rider let you down, not the rubber.
Any tyre which is designed for your bike will give you more grip than you need on the road - with a caveat that super sticky and to some extent sporty road tyres will need lots of thrashing to warm them up properly. I'd be surprised if you ever got super sticky tyres up to temp on the road.
Anyway I'm digressing. I feel like you're prematurely blaming the tyres when actually there is nothing wrong with them. Quite often (although not always) when someone says "Whoah the back end stepped out by miles, but I managed to keep it upright" Actually they've only had a very small slide, but they've tensed up and somehow the bike has gone back into line. Now I don't want you to think I'm accusing you of being a poor rider, but thats what 90% of people do in my experience.
I'm not au fait on current michelin designations, but I'd guess that Pilot Sports aren't super sticky, which means they are either sporty road tyres or just plain road biassed tyres. In which case it won't have been the tyres which let you down.
You say that the bike kicked up a load of dust? Well, perhaps it was the dust which made you lose traction?
This situation is not a disaster, because the bike is naturally stable, as long as the rider is relaxed. The bike naturally wants to have the front and rear wheels in line, even when cranked over. However, human natural survival reactions include tensing up when in danger. This means that unless you have already trained out the survival reaction, you will have tensed up. What happens then is you fight the bike, when in actual fact you are either making over corrections, or you are fighting the bikes natural propensity to have its wheels in line. Both of which are bad.
Another possible explanation to this issue comes down to something that you may feel is irrelevant, that of rider weight. How much do you weigh? If its less than ten stone, then I would also hazard a guess that your rear suspension (and, indeed your fork) is set up too hard for your weight. This would mean that you ride permanently with the rear suspension 'topped out. This means that when you hit a bump, the bump is absorbed by the suspension, but as you come back down from the bump, there isn't a lot of travel to extend the suspension to touch the road again, meaning you lose traction.
If you weigh more than about 12 stone, and are riding on stock settings, we can pretty much rule that out too.
It sounds to me like you are looking for something to blame for what happened, but I don't think the tyres are a suitable culprit on this occasion. Unless you hadn't warmed them up, or they were brand new.
Oh, and to reiterate, don't feel like I'm accusing you of being a bad rider, because I crashed my bike with a combination of the above issues not more than two months ago. I had a brand new sporty road tyre on the rear of my bike. It was cold outside and the road was strewn with salt. I had adjusted my fork to suit my weight (~ 10st), but had not taken enough preload off of the shock.
The combination of brand new tyres which were stone cold, road salt, poor suspension setup and me tensing up when I felt the slide caused a tankslapper which I couldn't hold on to. I let the bike go and it slid into a kerb and flipped over.
At no point did I go to blame the make and model of tyre on the bike, and actually the blame falls squarely on me. I should have anticipated the conditions, I should have spent more time adjusting my suspension properly (or left it on stock settings, which may not have been so bad as I effectively sharpened the steering geometry by not adjusting the rear shock enough) and I should have remembered the bike had a brand new rear tyre with releasing compound all over it. I also should not have tensed up when I felt the slide, but who can blame me? I have done the california superbike school, who taught me about survival reactions, tensing up and rear slides, but when it comes to using the stuff for real its a little hard to recall it all!
I'm certain that very few accidents are caused by tyres, and all single vehicle accidents are caused by the rider in some way - by definition.
My reccomendation to you would be - do some advanced training. Its better value for money than the tyres, as it could save your hide!!  ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F; Cheap project: CBR900RR FireBlade
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Were your tyres warm?
I believe Pilot Sports are particularly bad grip-wise from cold.
While warm they should be fine - you won't get anything significantly grippier considering that you won't be keeping trackday tyres up to heat.
Pirilies should warm up faster - their track tyres are definitely much grippier from cold than the Pilot Race's - though about the same when warmed up.
As above; I'd be considering where you stick your tyres rather than what type they are... the best road tyre in the world still isn't going to grip on a patch of manure whatever compound you get . |
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o.k cheers for the replies lads.Some of the "rider error" comments might be true and i agree that`s "usually" the case...and don`t worry i haven`t taken what was said the wrong way.
I`ve never had that happen before crossing the white line so instinctively i blamed the rubber....but as said already if id`ve read the road a bit better id`ve seen the dried mud stacked up and backed off a bit....but i didn`t...lol
The sun and the absence of wet tarmac lulled me into a false sense of security...lol....lesson learned eh.
I think i`m gonna get some fresh tyres on it anyway just for personal satisfaction.....so i`ll have a good read over some reviews and find some that match my riding style.
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Bridgestone BT014s..used in all weathers..trust them 100%..get about 7000from a front and 4-5000 from a rear..perhaps a little more!!  |
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