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tutton
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Is there such a thing? Reply with quote

As most of you know if you rear end sumone (crash blatently Laughing)
that its your fault and the other party will claim off you as you went into them.

Are there people who are out there trying to claim off people and trying to cause accidents on purpose?

I only ask because i was so close to having a big off earlier and now i think about it its weird.

All the way i was following her doing 40 in a 30 firstly. like she was playing with me. then we get to speed humps she does 40 over all of them but one near my house and deciedes to slow to about 5mph at the drop of a hat, it was soo close i felt my front wheel hit her bumper, only gently no paint damage i could see, but if i havnt braked so hard i would of ended up in her rear seats.

She didnt stop even tho i think she knows i hit her, she carried on and so did i and then i turned off, im not liable for not leaving details am i? because she didnt either?

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PostPosted: 15:42 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are definitely people out there doing it
https://www.whatprice.co.uk/advice/car-insurance-fraud.html
but i would say more likely if you were in a car rather than on a bike, you're going to do more damage in a car.
And if it was a scam she would have stopped and got your details and feigned all sorts of injuries.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised Should i be expecting a call from the plod about not stopping, or do you recon the person didnt expect to get anywhere with like so little damage, spect i put a scratch if that.?
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing? Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
All the way i was following her doing 40 in a 30 firstly. like she was playing with me.


Don't really get this, if you were following her doing 40 in a 30, why would she have been playing with you!? maybe you were too close to her?

tutton wrote:
it was soo close i felt my backwheel hit her bumper,


Backwheel!?
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean like dont you ever have people, slow down when your going fast infront then when u slow they plant it back on, like brake testing me.

* I mean frontwheel haha.
im in a pickle still.
dosnt seem to hit it off balance which is good also.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you were tailgating her like a complete arse. She stayed at 40 to try to get away from you, then when that didn't work she slowed right up to give you a little warning.

It was your fault 100%. If people do that to you then BACK OFF.

Tailgating is one of my pet hates, and from your description it sounds like you're one of the worst offenders.

If you can't stop when someone slows to a halt in front of you, then its YOUR FAULT.

The worst thing about all this is, if someone genuinely does need to do an emergency stop in front of you, and you go into the back of them, you'll be the one whose head ends up jammed in someones rear windscreen, or in the back of a van or lorry.

Don't do it, its stupid and makes you look like a twat. Especially when the paramedics have to scrape you out of someones BMW.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

All tailgaters should be taken out and shot. Boyracers are the worst. Funniest incident of this that I have ever seen was when my brother picked me up from collage one day, Boyracer was pratically touching his bumper whilst doing 60! my brother flicked his sidelights on and he did a paniked emergancy stop. He stopped so suddenly that he tore the lowered front bumper of his car. Very funny. If you are going to tailgate you should expect someone to try somthing like this to get you too bak off.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As most of you know if you rear end sumone (crash blatently Laughing)
that its your fault and the other party will claim off you as you went into them.

Are there people who are out there trying to claim off people and trying to cause accidents on purpose?

I don't get it, it'd be 100% impossible to try and cause an accident on purpose in the situation you describe if you weren't tail gating. Confused

Only things I'd suggest from what you've said is maybe she was looking for a house in that area or she slowed right down cos you were tail gating her....

It's tail gating that's the problem, not someone changing speeds suddenly.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hows it tailgaiting if im leaving around a 2 second gap
and she goes from doing 40 down to around 10,
surely its not my fault that i like nearly hit her.

Wasnt tailgaiting at all, she just seemed to slow down so suddenly it was stupid so much so the polo behind me then got very close to the rear of me as she'd stopped soo fast, this is a normal speedhump as well, she was in a standard car no low springs or anything.

hard to explain but it wasnt tailgaiting, if it was i wouldnt be asking, as id know it would be totally my fault but it wasnt like that.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you cant safely stop in the distance between you and the vehicle in front you are too close end of.

What if a truck had pulled out on her and she'd have stopped dead? You would have added to the carnage i suspect.

Safe stopping distances arent just for the safety nazi's.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the point im trying to think about 40 to around 10.
So i was in the safe area (2 secondish) to stop, until she decieded to change her speed drastically, nearly causing me to eat rear bumper.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Re: Is there such a thing? Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
....Are there people who are out there trying to claim off people and trying to cause accidents on purpose?...

Yes.
Recently reported in the local paper.
Scam artists found out eventually.
Trick was to actually remove/disable the brake lights. Another trick was to race up to someone as they reversed out of a parking bay so they hit the scammers car.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
So i was in the safe area (2 secondish) to stop, until she decieded to change her speed drastically, nearly causing me to eat rear bumper.


In this situation 2 Seconds is not enough then it would seem. What if she had performed a proper emergency stop and not slowed down quickly as you put it?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id have rear ended her?
and then probably been squished from the polo behind as well.

How long am i sposed to be leaving then
i was taught 2 seconds :S
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:

How long am i sposed to be leaving then
i was taught 2 seconds :S


Far enough so that you can stop. Laughing It all depends on conditions and speed etc...

You are young and will learn from your mistakes. Did you not consider swerving round? (I know it can be difficult in the heat of the moment)
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Thats the point im trying to think about 40 to around 10.
So i was in the safe area (2 secondish) to stop, until she decieded to change her speed drastically, nearly causing me to eat rear bumper.


Your not really listening to whats been said are you.

No matter how hard she brakes, if you hit the back of her, its your fault. You should be aware of all possible situations that arise, including when cars do emergency stops.

Think about it, why else would someone brake test you? They obviously thought you were too close, and from what you've said (you only just managed to stop, and DID touch the bumper) then your clearly were too close.

You dont have an argument to put forward, full stop.

Next time your out, dont ride so close, you'll live longer! Wink

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PostPosted: 16:55 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didnt think of swerving onto the oppisite side of a speedbump, and cant remember looking if there was anything the other way.

As all my concentration was on not shunting sumone big style.
and it happened so bloody quick, then like the slow motion, when you know your just about to crash, then it goes fast again and you struggle to control/avoid. lol
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Thats the point im trying to think about 40 to around 10.
So i was in the safe area (2 secondish) to stop, until she decieded to change her speed drastically, nearly causing me to eat rear bumper.


NO NO NO NO NO.

If you almost eat her rear bumper you are either
A) Too close

or

B) incapable of using your brakes.

I refuse to accept you can't brake hard, so it has to be A.

To reiterate:

If You cannot prevent yourself from hitting the person in front when they come to a dead stop then you are too close! This should be a natural instinct for a motorcyclist, because you won't survive if you hit a car/truck/van with any kind of force!

To add, any car/van/truck can emergency stop at ANY time. There could be one of a thousand reasons why they do. For example a few years back the Mercedes C class had a device installed called 'brake assist' which occasionally malfunctioned. Sometimes, when the driver wanted to slow down normally, the on board computer thought he was performing an emergency stop so would bring the car to a complete halt in as fast a time as possible. If this happened in front of you, then you'd end up with a C class instead of a face.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tutton, you are a spod. I know where you mean and you're a dick if you think you're ok to razz down there at any kind of speed. I know for a fact that there's an action group forming for that road and they're going to purchase a speed camera (same kinda thing as the one on the way into Langport).

The reason they're getting one is because the road is a dangerous one. How many lap posts have been smacked down recently? Dead cats, dogs? Smashed up busses? Am I ringing any bells?

30mph for that road is plenty. I'm not the po-leece though, and if you choose to belt about like a knobber, at least give yourself a bit of stopping distance to the car in front.

If I was in that car and you'd smacked into me, I'd have torn you a new ass.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
.....If this happened in front of you, then you'd end up with a C class instead of a face.


That could be an inprovement in some cases! Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shush unknown its outside the shop where she just stopped dead on the biggest speedhump.

Enuff flaming me now Laughing
At least there was no superficial damage i dont think.
and really a speed camera :O
theres often a mobile one out the other way to bath road
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 more flame.

every one knows "only a cunt, hits the car in front"
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
its outside the shop where she just stopped dead on the biggest speedhump.

That's cos it's about 3 feet high and it's like a frikkin brick wall. You can cruise the other pillow types but that's the danger-doer. I expect she knew that. Simple as.

And camera - oh yes, mark my words boyo. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 14 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
If this happened in front of you, then you'd end up with a C class instead of a face.


Hmm...
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