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[twotakt]

Overtook an unmarked police car at a pedestrian crossing last night and they gave me 3 points for it. They said the offence was that I overtook on zig-zag lines.

It was all on video which I seen, at first I thought it was justified but speaking to friends they said as long as no one was on the crossing (which they weren't) its not an offence.

Can anyone confirm/reject whether these 3 points were justified for what I did?

Ta,
Jack
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[Kickstart]

Hi

It was an offence. My understanding is that the generally held view is that you are OK as long as you do not overtake the front vehicle in the queue for the crossing.

All the best

Keith
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[twotakt]

Thought so, thanks for confirming this for me.

Ta,
Jack
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[Finglonga]

Thought overtaking was illegal on ZIgZags, however filtering up to the rear of the front car is legal. Most times filtering is classed at 5-10mph faster than traffic you are passing anything faster could be classed as an overtake.
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[twotakt]

No, I was definately overtaking.

Ta,
Jack
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[Fastgut]

[kenny]

same happend to me 3 points and £60 fine lernt my lesson over take after the crossing
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[Fastgut]

I find the use of negative Karma on my post highly amusing given who has awarded it and that no comment has been made in topic.
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[Fastgut]

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[m0l0t0v]

Then why is it only in zebra crossings we give way to pedestrians as they have the right of way yet not in any other place?

If a car pulled out on a biker due to not seeing the biker then the car driver is at fault. Yes the biker could prevent it, as you say but it's unfair to say that it's the bikers fault. Much like it is unfair to say it's someone's fault who's going round a roundabout and a car /bike emerging into the roundabout smashes into the car/bike.

Yeah, accidents can be avoided by both parties through hazard awareness and I'm always aware of things. Not saying I'm the safest rider in the world because i'm not but I am pretty clued up on everything that is going around and I'm checking everywhere. My driving instructor complimented me on my safety aspects which I learnt from being on the bike. It's the one thing he didn't have to teach me or hammer into my head.

When I meant red lights I didn't mean they literally said "Don't go". That's jsut the message which red lights are supposed to give. Maybe should've been more like "stop and wait" or something along those lines.

I don't see why I should have to suffer (nor anyone else for that matter) for other people's stupidty and lakc of hazard awareness. It shouldn't just be you aware all the time but everyone. Best way to survive is to believe everyone is Mafia and trying to kill you though.
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[Fastgut]

[m0l0t0v]

If I was going to change my mindset because of the unpredictable movements of pedestrians then I would do so about other things, especially with cars and bigger vehicles as I'd be far worse off! I won't change my mindset because I feel I am more than "just aware" about the area and I am confident in my riding ability to prevent most accidents.


I hoesntly don't mean to be rude, but hasn't the fact that your friend got hit by a thing given you a very negative view on it because It was someone you knew/cared of? Or have you always thought of that in the same way, way before it happened. Please don't take it the wrong way as I don't want to insult anyone.
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[Fastgut]

In answer to the first bit...without being rude lol.....your view is the same as 99% of road users. I'm a good rider/driver so it doesnt matter for me. Its like soldiers in combat...it wont happen to me. Well it can and does happen to someone who holds exactly the same opinion. We can however lower the % that it will happen to you or raise it of course.

As far as the person hit, it was my cousin. Yes it colours my view but I would say the same things as I am a driving intructor anyway. Did I think as much about my driving/riding as I do now? No would be the honest answer. Does that make it right though...well again no. As a friend of mine in the force likes to say "Ignorance is no defence against your own stupidity." I quite like that one Havin passed both tests before becoming an instructor I am shocked now at some of the attitudes I had. Also at the lack of training compared to what is really required to be safe on the roads. Do I speed? Yes..possibly am not the only one who by day says stick to the limit at all times then flouts things later on. For me 30mph limits are sacrosanct. 40 mph limits same about 90% of the time and beyond that I use my judgment based on weather, other road users and road condition. I am no saint but the situation above makes my blood boil on a personal note and as an instructor I guess i have a feeling of resignation as its an all to common occurance.
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[m0l0t0v]

Fair does. Sorry to hear about your cousin anyhow.

Also, I know it could happen to me. I never said it wouldn't. I know it's very possible and cars have pulled out on me/pedestrians run out/etc and I've been able to avoid them, whether by accelerating (when one car pulled out, I believe I wouldn't have been able to stop in time, wet surface)

I'm a good rider, and a safe rider. Not sure about my driving as I haven't had any real experience in a car apart from the lessons but I'd like to think I would be safe. I passed my car test first time back in January, so not that long ago but I will probably start driving soon as it's easier to drive an automatic with a broken left arm than a bike with clutches!

And yes, some parts of the tests/training is questionable. Some parts are unnecesary while some should be included. I've actually thought myself to maybe be a bike/driving instructor if all else fails and I'm sure my views would change then.

Ignorance is no dfence against your own stupidity. Can't argue with that at all

There's things I've done on the bike that were stupid and I feel I learnt much more from my first month on the Hornet than any other time. Then, at that time I thought I really was invincible and rode like a cock. Had a very near off due to misjudging a corner with my then girlfriend on the back. The day after I sat down with myself and "taught" myself to have more control. I am much safer than I was when I first started, as experience helps more than anything. but I am also quicker.

I never said, it's right to overtake on zig zag lines, but I felt that the way you vented Steam on your first post was a little unnecessary, when it's not just down to that person. Regardless of the circumstances.
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[Fastgut]

Well when you have personally seen what can happen when twats do that kind of thing you might react in the same way. I am not going to spout stats because i dont have them but I remember reading that the majority of pedestrian fatalities occur within 50 meters of a crossing or something like that. I am sure one of the web warriors on here will put in the correct stats if they bother to read this. What compounds the whole issue for me is he then thought he might have been in the right. Now if you stop and think for a moment about the consequences etc, as we have discussed so not repeating ad infinitum, I would like to think that most people's common sense would prevail. Maybe I have too much faith.
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[Fastgut]

[LeeR]

It all boils down to RTFM and if anyone intends taking a test and becoming a competent road user then they should... (read it).

It's freely available to all, even pedestrians: Highway Code Online
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