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PostPosted: 17:22 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Results of upside down number plate. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:28 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neutral put a small plate on, if you come across nice, polite and nieve enough and the coppers had his morning wank he'll let you go...
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:52 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lmao, nice. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

most will let you off the first time aslong as you aint gobby
get pulled by them again and you wont get the same result
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice story mate. At least you stuck to your guns and you put enough doubt in the copper's minds to let you off.

You going to be keeping it on the right way round like a good boy now? Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they actually manage to find any rules/ regs to "do" you for, or were they just being arsey 'cos they had the power to? I mean if they had fined you or whatever they'd have had to have claimed that you'd broken the law... just wondering if they actually said "that's illegal due to XYZ", or just "That's illegal 'cos I said so".
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would probably come under the rule of the numberplate has to be clearly displayed and readable at a distance of whatever it is

Not illegal to have a dirty bike, but have an obscured numberplate and it is


What would be good would be to get a private reg that reads the same upside down and the right way round, and put that on upside down, with some smart comment on the bit where the dealers name normally goes. Smile
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see why it has to state it explicitely in the law, the number your meant to display on the back of your bike is meant to be ABC 123 or whatever,
https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/tristanthe/upsidedownplate.jpg
is different to that because it doesnt feature any numbers or letters, just random squiggles, it doesn't need to say it in the law, because it's already covered in the law of the english language.

Also whats the point? It wont get you out of gatsos, it wont stop police footage of you reading your plate when replayed, only thing it would do is stop the ANPR from picking you up and make it much harder for your plate to be written down, and why do you sound surprised that the copper got power trippy, if your not the kind of person that wants to deal with that dont do pointless things like this.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulthar, I would have said some bastid at work must had done it.... would have saved you alot of trouble. and you could keep doing it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.
Did you get their badge numbers?

I think it does perhaps show that it's a rather foolish idea because you're just 'asking' to be pulled.

On the DVLA site, one of the things in it's 'in brief' summary of 'plates says "Number Plates must be easy to read..." suspect that covers being the right way up.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:51 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001

Have a look at that, they have sample diagrams at the bottom which show the permitted layouts.

And it also says:

Further requirements for registration plates
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(1) No reflex-reflecting material may be applied to any part of a registration plate and the plate must not be treated in such a way that the characters of the registration mark become, or are caused to act as, retroreflective characters.
(2) A registration plate must not be treated in any other way which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(3) A registration plate must not be fixed to a vehicle -
(a) by means of a screw, bolt or other fixing device of any type or colour,
(b) by the placing of a screw, bolt or other fixing device in any position, or
(c) in any other manner,
which has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters of the registration mark, which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.

(4) Section 59(2)(a) of the Act (regulations the contravention of which attracts a level 3 fine) applies to paragraphs (1), (2) and (3) of this regulation.


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PostPosted: 19:52 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulthar wrote:
What's not easy to read about a number plate which conforms to all the regulations and dimensions? Upside down, sideways, right side up. All the same.

Not all the same to most people - most people find it a lot harder to read things that are upside-down.

I expect that the way characters in the alphabet are 'defined' does directly relate to the orientation - for instance in lowercase a 'd' and a 'p' could be the same geometric design, apart from the orientation.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulthar wrote:
What's not easy to read about a number plate which conforms to all the regulations and dimensions? Upside down, sideways, right side up. All the same. Would someone be somehow unable to read a number plate from a bike when the bike is lying on the ground?


You wouldn't be unable to read it no, it'd be slightly harder though, name me one situation where you have to read the number plate of a bike on it's side in as much of a hurry as a speed gun copper has to read the plate of a bike going past. Which renders your example both moot and stupid.

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That is not the point of doing this. If I wanted to evade detection from cameras, I would removed the number plate and ride without a number plate. End of. The purpose of having an upside number is not evasion.


Ok, work with me here, what exactly was the point of doing this, I could understand it if you had some clever quip redied to deal with said coppers, but your original post just sounds like you shat a brick when they got pissy then came home and bitched about them being unfair on the internet.

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Are you saying that: https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/tristanthe/upsidedownplate.jpg is a bunch of squiggles? Lo and behold, the characters in the alphabet and numbers are just a bunch of squiggles! Its a strange concept but its true!


Actually that's exactly what I'm saying, because I assumed you had at least a primary school level education, tell you what, next time your near a school go see if there's a teacher not doing anything, ask him or her if this is a C
https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d170/tristanthe/u.jpg
turns out it isn't, because there are rules stating that a c looks like this:
C

for further information try sesame street yeah?
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristan the wrote:

You wouldn't be unable to read it no, it'd be slightly harder though, name me one situation where you have to read the number plate of a bike on it's side in as much of a hurry as a speed gun copper has to read the plate of a bike going past. Which renders your example both moot and stupid.

I think the official answer they give is something about if the vehicle has been used to run over kittens, members of the public can report it, but the same basic idea Smile.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well posts above have shown it to be illegal, but I can see why you did it; because you could. I do things like that too Laughing Lucky to get off the hook though Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a wierd type of dyslexia (can't remember the name of it) that means I can read just as well upside down as the right way up, I also do upside down mirror with no problem and right way up mirror is a piece of cake.
On top of this I use the Cyrillic alphabet as well as I am a Russian speaker.
I am shyt at writing though as letters come out all ways at times Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, an upside down plate would confuse the hell out of ANPR and, if you did it on the front of a car, would render the SPECS cameras unable to read your plate for average speed checks.

If you were going to bother, I would get a plate made up with two of the letters transposed, then you might get away with it and say that you hadn't noticed and the plate had been on the bike since you bought it.

Not that I'd advocate doing this as it is illegal.

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PostPosted: 12:01 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
The Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations 2001

Have a look at that, they have sample diagrams at the bottom which show the permitted layouts.

And it also says:

Further requirements for registration plates
11
(1) No reflex-reflecting material may be applied to any part of a registration plate and the plate must not be treated in such a way that the characters of the registration mark become, or are caused to act as, retroreflective characters.
(2) A registration plate must not be treated in any other way which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which would prevent or impair the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.
(3) A registration plate must not be fixed to a vehicle -
(a) by means of a screw, bolt or other fixing device of any type or colour,
(b) by the placing of a screw, bolt or other fixing device in any position, or
(c) in any other manner,
which has the effect of changing the appearance or legibility of any of the characters of the registration mark, which renders the characters of the registration mark less easily distinguishable to the eye or which prevents or impairs the making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera and film or any other device.

(4) Section 59(2)(a) of the Act (regulations the contravention of which attracts a level 3 fine) applies to paragraphs (1), (2) and (3) of this regulation.


Interestingly. None of that would appear to make flooding your plate with high intensity infra red light to flare out video cameras illegal. It pointedly says "Impairs the making of a TRUE photographic image.".

Well, IR illumination wouldn't affect a true photographic image in the slightest, IR is outside the visible spectrum and would therefore only effect an artificially enhanced photographic image.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I thought it was hillarious. Gave me a right chuckle.

We need more humour in this grey world and he didn't hurt anyone. Gave the police something to tell their mates I should think. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 04:16 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superb Laughing Thumbs Up
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