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petemell
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 10 May 2008    Post subject: Crash helmet too tight. Reply with quote

I am thinking of buying another crash helmet,probably a Shoei or Arai, they do fit ok but just thought would it be good if the helmet makers started making helmets made to measure for every head shape.

You can buy made to measure everything else nowadays, with the technology available a helmet with a shell made to your head shape would be a big safety improvement.

The superstars like Rossi get them, I think they should be available to the general public.


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PostPosted: 23:36 - 10 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you try on other makes rather than shoe or arai? they all have differnt sizing mate there not all the same.

Your best bet is to try on alot of lids, also if its too tight to withstand 5 mins of wearing then its not right for you.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe but Rossi probably gpes through a couple of dozen a season.

I don't know about you but I can't afford that level of disposability
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PostPosted: 05:37 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You DO realise the amount of resources required to create a lid that's moulded perfectly to your head?! A head imprint won't be sufficient since the expanded polystyrene structure is meant to deform over time to mould into the shape of your head anyway. Made to measure lids is a big ask. Think about getting a head imprint, getting that imprint over to the manufacturer, then the processing and tooling required JUST to mould the liner to your noggin, somehow shoving THAT bespoke liner into the shell, getting it to you - we're talking about manpower and resources. Just think on average how much extra we're all going to pay - we pay about 40% more for custom, made-to-fit leathers, tailored suits and trousers etc. Now, does the consumer REALLY want to fork out almost a grand or more for an arai/shoei, or would people justify paying arai prices for a HJC?! I think not.

It's not necessary safer to implement your concept since it's unique to you and there's no other imperical testing for your situation. You can get lids to "custom fit" per se. I had my corsair "custom fitted" - or had the fit refined to fit me better - the shop fiddled about with the liner - put different thicknesses on the skull cap and put thicker cheek pads - That in a sense is more achievable than a custom mould and yes, many manufacturers if not all adopt this principle. But the first solution to the problem is don't get a lid which shell's not compatible with your head.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Maybe but Rossi probably gpes through a couple of dozen a season.

I don't know about you but I can't afford that level of disposability


Which has nothing to do with it really.

Just because Rossi may go through a few each season does not mean you will. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe some company did offer alternative padding in smaller and larger sizes so you could 'tune' the helmet to your head size.
Not sure who it was or if they still do, presume it wasn't that popular

What I'd do is go to a bike show where there's loads of stands with helmets and try on pretty much every single brand - you should find a few that offer you a decent fit.

Remember Rossi also has a 'made to measure' million-pound bike.
Yet the vast majority of bikes don't offer any easy adjustability in the riding position as stock and that's a much bigger purchase.

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:

Which has nothing to do with it really.

Just because Rossi may go through a few each season does not mean you will. Rolling Eyes

His point may have been that Rossi won't have to go through the 'bedding in' process 'cos he's chucked his helmet to the crowd after the first few hour's use?
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:


the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:

Which has nothing to do with it really.

Just because Rossi may go through a few each season does not mean you will. Rolling Eyes

His point may have been that Rossi won't have to go through the 'bedding in' process 'cos he's chucked his helmet to the crowd after the first few hour's use?


Which still doesn't mean he will go through the same amount as Rossi, unless he throws his lids to pedestrians every time he wins the traffic light GP.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But that means Rossi's helmets may well be designed differently - for instance if he actually wore them for some time, they may get too loose, because the initial fit is correct rather than a little too tight.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
But that means Rossi's helmets may well be designed differently - for instance if he actually wore them for some time, they may get too loose, because the initial fit is correct rather than a little too tight.


Bah, its all assumptions anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larger AGV outlets can pad a helmet to suit you, with a fair range of customisation options. Would agree with g, the fit varies from brand to brand, suomi cripple me, shoei fit like a glove. Just a case of finding what suits.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
Did you try on other makes rather than shoe or arai?


No wonder it's a bit tight if he's trying to put a shoe on his head! Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
But that means Rossi's helmets may well be designed differently - for instance if he actually wore them for some time, they may get too loose, because the initial fit is correct rather than a little too tight.


Nah.

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PostPosted: 16:15 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
But that means Rossi's helmets may well be designed differently - for instance if he actually wore them for some time, they may get too loose, because the initial fit is correct rather than a little too tight.


Thank you for translating my post from it's original Klingon.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
G wrote:
But that means Rossi's helmets may well be designed differently - for instance if he actually wore them for some time, they may get too loose, because the initial fit is correct rather than a little too tight.


Thank you for translating my post from it's original Klingon.
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Yes because now I understand that if you find someone to make you a lid to measure you will go through 24 every racing season.

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PostPosted: 16:54 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if it was made affordable by the maufacturers people would go for it. The inner shell absorbs the impact in an accident, any gap between this shell and the head is not any protection.

The foam inside a lid is only there for comfort, not protection.


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PostPosted: 17:17 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two reasons this will not happen;

Helmets deform with wear, which is a side effect of what they are designed to do in a crash - even Rossi's. It's just because he dosn't spend the same time in a single lid as the rest of us then he can affford to have one that fits off of the bat rather than having one to bed in as by the time the inner of Rossis lid is having wear issues he is wearing another one.

Liability - it is safety equipment, staff would need to be specially trained and it would open the staffs employers up to liability.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you buy a new helmet it is always a nice firm snug fit, after a couple of years use they do go slack, therefore they won't be as safe. A made to measure inner shell would be an improvement even if it did cost a bit more.
The major helmet manufacturers should provide this service to the general public, not just famous superstars.


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PostPosted: 21:14 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the feeling I'm not explaining what I mean clearly, it's my bad.

I am going to drop this here and maybe pick it with you over a coke if I see you on the road.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

petemell wrote:

The major helmet manufacturers should provide this service to the general public, not just famous superstars.

I'm sure they do.
Walk in with a massive wad of cash and you can get a custom made helmet, I'd be willing to bet (we still don't know if Rossi etc do even get them.)
Obviously in Rossi's case it would be part of the sponsorship contract, whereby they give him masses of money to wear their helmets.
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