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chris-red
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PostPosted: 03:13 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: MPG Increased after new cans Reply with quote

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It would seem my MPG is considerably better after buying my new cans. I just filled up 17l after doing 190miles, I used to get 170 miles out of 19/20l.

My old MPG could go to as little as under 40 whereas now I'm getting 50+. I'm confused I have been doing similar rides which break down to about 40% motorway 40% in town 20% spirited in the lanes.

Would new cans increase MPG buy this much? If so that is probably the best £440 I have ever spent!
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PostPosted: 04:36 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A free'er flowing exhaust may tend to make a bike run lean.
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PostPosted: 05:46 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you get it re-mapped too??
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PostPosted: 06:23 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

depending on what bike you have/ how old it is, there have been a few reviews (i think in RIDE) sowing that you can get better fuel economy with a free-er flowing exhaust as with current noise regs one of the manufacturers tricks is to set the bike to run rich so un-burnt fuel makes it as far as the exhaust, causing it to sound quieter

(feel free to correct me if i've got this wrong) Smile
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC they included a remap in that test.
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No remap, just 2 slip on scorpions. I have the baffles in too, but it is still much louder than stock.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

When the Bandit engine was first tuned it greatly increased the mpg (carb settings had been guessed, this was before it was run in).

Setting it up properly changed that.

Quite easy to land up with a point in the rev range where it is running lean, and if that happens to be a commonly used point then mpg will likely be improved,

All the best

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PostPosted: 07:37 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveJPS wrote:
one of the manufacturers tricks is to set the bike to run rich so un-burnt fuel makes it as far as the exhaust, causing it to sound quieter

(feel free to correct me if i've got this wrong) Smile


Thats a new one for me. I know manufacturers create lean areas to get past emission tests.

Chris, you checked your plugs yet?
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah it would mean taking the tank off, but the temp gauage is the same as it was before getting up to the start of the white when warmed up and staying there unless in traffic.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Temp gauge is pretty meaningless. Will be plenty of spare capacity in the cooling system to keep the water temperature down, but the combustion temperature is very different.

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PostPosted: 09:00 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpian cans are supposed to be the most accurate with regards to matching the existing fuelling requirements, according to a dyno test by DIRE mag or similar....

I think the worst was Art ...
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Scorpian cans are supposed to be the most accurate with regards to matching the existing fuelling requirements, according to a dyno test by DIRE mag or similar....

I think the worst was Art ...


except all cans, pipes and bikes are different so unless they compared every scorpion can on every bike and compared the mean result with the mean result of the same bikes running ART and every other can on display then the results are not going to be accurate.

and unless they tested the cans on exactly the same bike as the OP's then it bears very little significance.



I agree with Craigs23
The bike will now be running lean and need re-jetting/mapping to restore it to the tolerances originally designed for, unless of course you like the increased MPG Wink
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised that nobody has mentioned that it may just be due to him riding at lower revs to keep the noise down Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fitted a scorpion can a few months back and have noticed improved MPG. Scorpion told me i would not have to remap.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nixon wrote:

except all cans, pipes and bikes are different so unless they compared every scorpion can on every bike and compared the mean result with the mean result of the same bikes running ART and every other can on display then the results are not going to be accurate.


Thanks Mr. Obvious. Very Happy I think you'll find Scorpion do actually sell cans to suit makes and models, and DIRE tested on three different bikes and guess what; oh yes Scorpion cans performed closest to existing fuelling . And yes I doubt any magazine would test every bike and every exhaust; that would be stoopid. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
nixon wrote:

except all cans, pipes and bikes are different so unless they compared every scorpion can on every bike and compared the mean result with the mean result of the same bikes running ART and every other can on display then the results are not going to be accurate.


Thanks Mr. Obvious. Very Happy I think you'll find Scorpion do actually sell cans to suit makes and models, and DIRE tested on three different bikes and guess what; oh yes Scorpion cans performed closest to existing fuelling . And yes I doubt any magazine would test every bike and every exhaust; that would be stoopid. Rolling Eyes


thats exactly my point they tested 3! 3 out of the thousands of different models that have/are available. So to say that scorpion cans are the best cans for keeping acurate fueling based on the statistics of 3 models is absolutely stupid and not worth of the paper its written on.

there is a reason its called DIRE and there is a reason that no one in the industry is intrested in there results as they are all bull!

but anyway we are going off topic

but this is going off topic so lets get back to the OP
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nixon wrote:
So to say that scorpion cans are the best cans for keeping acurate fueling based on the statistics of 3 models is absolutely stupid and not worth of the paper its written on.


I don't think that's true though to be fair. Although I said three I still can't remember if it was more (I'm pretty sure it was varying engine configurations), but even so if you think about how similar same make engines can be and how Scorpion brag about 'no rejetting required' on thier ads then all we currently have is Dyno evidence backing up their claim. Until you find evidence to the contrary a DIRE test is all we have to go on, and this may be of relevance to the OP. <shrug>
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 25 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

well if they got rid of all this noise crap then you could put on a race pip and can, free flow air filter and despite it being noisy the engine will work less to get rid of exaust gasses and draw in new gasses, if mapped properly you sould be showing more power at the same throttle setting, thus same speed with less throttle and you save fuel.
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