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PostPosted: 02:39 - 25 Jul 2008    Post subject: Aliens exist? Reply with quote

not sure if any of you know but a Nasa astronaught Edgar Mitchell (6th man on the moon and holds record for longest time on the moon) has claimed that aliens have been in contact with various governments for roughly 60 years.

granted we get loonies saying aliens exist but this guy is a bit more respected in the scientific community and nasa are even shocked that he openly admitted this and have very little to say on the subject.

Now with the belgium, french and british government disclosing all their information on ufo's showing several accounts of ufo activity that have been unexplainable over the last few decades it is begining to gain more attention.

of course this could all just be publicity for the new x-files film Wink

wot do you all think?, personally i think they exist but unsure if they are actually visiting us, if they could travel across space and reach our planet im guessing they would be easily able to avoid detection but i'd quite like it if they were visiting us as it would mean were not alone and george bush isnt the leader of the most powerful nation in the universe.
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 25 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is alot we don't know that has happened / is happening.

But to balance this there are a lot of nutcases who fantasise about the X files and little green men.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no real reason why aliens would want to visit us. I was reading a book which said that they'd be so advanced they'd make us look like cavemen, so we would have nothing to other them. Our weapons to them would be like a wooden slingshot or our technology like a black & white tv.

It's impossible for other life forms not to exist really, the universe didn't create itself & humans didn't suddenly appear from nothing. Which is where you'll get people saying about the Big Bang theory, God & the Bible. It's all seems to be connected somehow tho.

I'd love to see Bush having a convo with one tho. Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont really go for all the alien stuff. I like to see proof and evidence first. yeah yeah youtube is full of it but its not really that great evidence. Evidence it a little green man handling me some pretty flowers, (not the leprecon next door the green man from outer space)
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
I dont really go for all the alien stuff. I like to see proof and evidence first. yeah yeah youtube is full of it but its not really that great evidence. Evidence it a little green man handling me some pretty flowers, (not the leprecon next door the green man from outer space)


I see aliens not as little green men but as other life forms, so anything from a plant on mars to another being.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
dragonfly wrote:
I dont really go for all the alien stuff. I like to see proof and evidence first. yeah yeah youtube is full of it but its not really that great evidence. Evidence it a little green man handling me some pretty flowers, (not the leprecon next door the green man from outer space)


I see aliens not as little green men but as other life forms, so anything from a plant on mars to another being.


I aint seen one so I really dont see them as anything. Definalty not a movie image. But if we exist why shouldnt other life forms in all fairness.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
There's no real reason why aliens would want to visit us. I was reading a book which said that they'd be so advanced they'd make us look like cavemen, so we would have nothing to other them. Our weapons to them would be like a wooden slingshot or our technology like a black & white tv.



we go to jungles to visit primative tribes though, they have no technoligy whatsoever yet we send tv crews, expiditions, survival experts etc to visit and spend time with them.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
There's no real reason why aliens would want to visit us. I was reading a book which said that they'd be so advanced they'd make us look like cavemen, so we would have nothing to other them.


I disagree. There is a very good reason why they would want to visit us, the same reason that we want to visit Mars, climb Everest or lap the Nurburgring. Because we are here. Curiosity/the desire to learn is a very powerful thing and without it such a race could not of become so far advanced in the first place.

However, I do think that what you have said is a good reason for 'them' to not want to contact us, they can learn all that they need to just by observing (and maybe mutilating the odd cow/hillbilly).
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:
Curiosity/the desire to learn is a very powerful thing and without it such a race could not of become so far advanced in the first place.


In the spirit of powerful learning, I continue my crusade against infidels who say could of when they mean could've or the like. What would the aliens say?

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PostPosted: 21:48 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
What would the aliens say?


Probably something along the lines of:

"Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing"

Although with them being Aliens that could mean anything. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, contextual anthropomorphic analysis can be tricky.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:
Mister James wrote:
What would the aliens say?


Probably something along the lines of:

"Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing"

Although with them being Aliens that could mean anything. Wink


Nice pic of a cat, is that yours?
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

GodzGift wrote:
Nice pic of a cat, is that yours?


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PostPosted: 22:54 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice (or not) to discover or for some intelligent life to show up.....just to see how crazy this world would go. The whole planet would likely be flipped on its head...would be a very interesting day!

Or perhaps, once a species gets to the 'electronics' sort of level, as we did about 100 years ago, we have already started the countdown to extinction...and we will one day blow ourselves up.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall a case of a guy in the UK who recently hacked into the pentagon and is awaiting extradition. He claimed that whilst he was only hacked in to the system for a short amount before he was detected, he said that he opened many files which were pictures taken from satellites etc which had been photoshopped to edit out UFO like objects, thought it was rather interesting myself.

I firmly believe that there must be other life out in the universe, whether it be advanced and more intelligent, or simply bacteria or other simple organisms. Given the enormous incomprehendable size of the universe, the galaxies and numbers of stars and other planets scattered throughout, I cannot believe that we are the one single sole sentient species.

Though there are many fake videos or false videos out there and certainly some nut jobs I do enjoy occasionally reading around the UFO topic as I think its fascinating, especially when you start reading around ancient somarian/mayan/egyptian texts about annunaki and things like that.

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PostPosted: 17:29 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing watching people talking about aliens.

People seem to think that an alien is going to be like a human.

There is an equal possibility that aliens couldn't even create voice. In fact, another life form has the possibility of not even communicating at all. Nothing is set in stone in the universe, it is almost by chance that we are a social species.

Who knows if an alien life form even has eyes or senses altogether? An intelligent life form wouldn't necessarily need senses to dictate where they are going.

With so many gases in the atmosphere, what is to say that an alien life form would survive decent into our atmosphere? Would they be able to breath? What if they rely on cyanide to survive? How in fact could one enter the atmosphere without bouncing off into the solar system, unless of course this life form is from a mass body with an atmosphere like our own.

Problem with scientists and speculators generally, is that they expect any possible life form to be much like our own.

Like the stupid desire to find water on a celestial body. What if we are the only species that need water to survive. That goes again for warmth. For all we know a life form could exist in Uranus.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although what you're saying is true life could exist in a completly different environment to our own, we know for a fact that life does exist with oxygen water light etc etc... the things we have on earth, we know for a fact that this formula works. It is much easier to study planets with similar environments to our own than to study all planets in the hope that life may have spawned in a different way to us.

hope that makes sence Confused

Also consider that life is /probably/ more likely to exist on a planet with a stable environment like our own than one like jupiter, it is also fair to assume a planet with life on it would need some kind of O zone, or something similar, since as far as we can tell large doses of solar radiation = death, Like you have pointed out another life form might rely on pure radiation and solar rays to survive, they might eat uranium for breakfast for all we know, but we need something to start with or we would need to study every single planet to be sure there was no life.

Also having an atmosphere is pretty handy for keeping big rocks away from us, bare in mind we almost got exterminated ourselfes a few million years ago by an asteroid so its safe to assume we are looking for a planet with some sort of atmosphere.

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PostPosted: 19:23 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:

There is an equal possibility that aliens couldn't even create voice. In fact, another life form has the possibility of not even communicating at all. Nothing is set in stone in the universe, it is almost by chance that we are a social species.


Fair point, but even animals and insects present some form of communication between each other so it wouldnt be greatly past the realms of possibility for us to expect that a non-earth entity would probably somehow, someway do the same.

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With so many gases in the atmosphere, what is to say that an alien life form would survive decent into our atmosphere? Would they be able to breath? What if they rely on cyanide to survive? How in fact could one enter the atmosphere without bouncing off into the solar system, unless of course this life form is from a mass body with an atmosphere like our own.

Problem with scientists and speculators generally, is that they expect any possible life form to be much like our own.


I think its a fair assumption, given that were we to speculate on what the alternatives could be, the possibilities would be endless. Add into the fact that from what we know the same elements in the periodic table are here on earth just as they are present 10,000 light years away, yet we understand the relationship between oxygen and haemoglobin and how that drives energy production in the cell, powering life as we know it, yet would probably struggle to see how this could occur with cyanide as the main ingriedient, for lack of a better word. Then again, I guess you cant predict how evolution would progress 10,000 light years away so I suppose it's just as possible...

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Like the stupid desire to find water on a celestial body. What if we are the only species that need water to survive. That goes again for warmth. For all we know a life form could exist in Uranus.


Wouldnt really call it stupid, I think theres an equal desire to search for water to see if other planets are colonizable in addition to trying to determine whether this meant life previously existed on mars. Im quite fond of the panspermia theory, kind of adds to the arguement 'for' alien species.

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PostPosted: 19:34 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're putting our qualifications in sigs now?

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PostPosted: 09:14 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

People cant be naive enough to think we are the only living creatures in the universe.

Other life forms WILL exist, whether we will ever know about them or not is another question.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hitler wrote:
People cant be naive enough to think we are the only living creatures in the universe.

Other life forms WILL exist, whether we will ever know about them or not is another question.


Belive it, they do think it. Try telling this to a Christian. If aliens do exist, and they probably do as there are millions of stars out there with similar solar systems. It would kinda put a bad spin on the whole big bang theory. Why do you think that the governments keep all this a secret? Its not because these aliens are dangerous... no, no, no.Tut Tut

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as it would mean were not alone and george bush isnt the leader of the most powerful nation in the universe.


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PostPosted: 10:58 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
For all we know a life form could exist in Uranus.


Bit OT but you can get cream for that..
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
He claimed that whilst he was only hacked in to the system for a short amount before he was detected, he said that he opened many files which were pictures taken from satellites etc which had been photoshopped to edit out UFO like objects, thought it was rather interesting myself


Nasa have admitted cropping photos from the moon and Mars landings to remove 'background elements'. Who knows what was on there.

Nasa have also been caught adding red filters to the images from the Mars landing of Spirit Rover. See attached pic.

As ever with governmental agencies, we will never know 100% of what goes on.

https://www.enterprisemission.com/spirit2.htm
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aliens do exist as evidenced by your local chav nightclub on a Saturday night. Most of the clientèle simply cannot be human. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 30 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have to say that i am on the fence about this. i cant see a reason why 'they' couldnt exist but i have seen no plausible evidence that 'they' do exist.

and people say that things like plants would nee water and sun light to live. well thats just plants using what they have around them. what happens if say in space plants thrive on other conditions. can plants learn to evolve like animals and humans.


i'm not sure about aliens but i would love them to be real its interesting. i would also love to see what the worlds governments are hiding from its people. i bet there is some right juicy reading in there
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