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Mudskipper
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: The death knell for the larger bike rallies... Reply with quote

Just posted this in the UK National section regarding an article on the Bulldog Bash:

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Extra police officers will be on patrol and roads will be shut as part of a "significant policing operation" around a biker festival, a force has said.


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Officers said they would be searching people attending the festival.


Is it just me, or does this look like a perfect 'opportunity' for coppers to harrass those attending? The murder last year wasn't even at the event, it was on the M40.

I'd be quite concerned about getting searched 'in case of firearms' and busted for your personal weed. Or stopped and your bike gone over with a fine toothcomb for owt they can pick at.

Not good news imo. Thumbs Down Evil or Very Mad


After the devastating cancellation of the Rock n Blues Custom show due to the actions of a handful of selfish murderers, the Derbyshire police and a hysterical ignorant media, this to me seals the fate of the larger rallies.

How long before the medium rallies go the same way? At Farmyard this year, me and my mates went to ride down the long track lidless aiming to dismount at the road, park up and walk into the town.

Nope, we couldn't do that. Seems the coppers were planted halfway down the track busting people for not wearing helmets. And breathilising etc.

Seems noble enough, but what we were prevented from doing was neither illegal nor reckless, and imo part of the rally experience.

The police now have a foothold thanks to the retarted actions of the murderers and the resulting media drivel that ended in the stopping of RnB.

It's a sad day and I am not looking forward to the Bulldog Bash, or even next year's rally season, half as much as I should.

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PostPosted: 21:29 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a shame that they don't use the same logic on football, if they did football would have been banned years ago.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
It is a shame that they don't use the same logic on football, if they did football would have been banned years ago.

I have to say that, even now footy fans hardly get a smooth ride. However that aside the money in footy is what keeps everyone sweet
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent most of the Bash last schleping from the shopping area to the otherside of the campsite where we were set up and didn't see any trouble there at all.

It's fucking stupid, but then I forgot we get the brunt of the blame when one of us is killed by a pillar of the community in a hurry.

No matter though, as quick as they get shut down there will be more to go to - all I ask is a field with relatively good drainage, beer, noise, something to waste my beer tokens on, bike show and strippers with great breasts.

If all else fails there is the chunnel and europe.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just more and more evidence of the government trying to control us, nazi style.
The problem is that most of the general public bend over and take it up the arse, then say thanks - its brainwashing.
Off on a tangent slightly, but yesterday i was watching a repeat of top gear on dave, the one where james may races the free runners through a city.
There was an awesome display of skill and bravery from the two blokes, only at one point the camera focused on some old trout scowling at them for daring to not conform to the masses.
I tell you, the older i get the more i love going against 'the system'.
They might think they are controlling me, but im fighting back.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not paying for a ticket anyways, might as well kick off and make a show if they want to search me Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Warning Reply with quote

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat which doesn't go, and doesn't suit me.
And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals, and say we've no money for butter.
I shall sit down on the pavement when I'm tired
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
And run my stick along the public railings
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick flowers in other people's gardens
And learn to spit.

You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat
And eat three pounds of sausages at a go
Or only bread and pickle for a week
And hoard pens and pencils and beermats and things in boxes.

But now we must have clothes that keep us dry
And pay our rent and not swear in the street
And set a good example for the children.
We must have friends to dinner and read the papers.

But maybe I ought to practice a little now?
So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised
When suddenly I am old, and start to wear purple.
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick reminder of your rights if you go to one of these events and are unfortunate enough to get searched...

Hopefully you wont need them, but just in case


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Being stopped & searched


There is no requirement to give your name or address when you are being searched, but the police can legally take your photograph at any time, and under Section 61 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE) can fingerprint you before arrest, but only if they suspect you of committing an offence and can’t establish your name and address or think you have given a false one.

Before any search, under Section 2 PACE, you must be told:
�� The officer’s name and police station
�� The purpose of the search
�� The legal grounds for the search
�� That you are entitled to a copy of the search


The police can search you and seize property on the
following grounds.

�� Section 1 PACE 1984 permits the police to search you or
your vehicle at any time if they have reasonable grounds to
suspect that you have stolen items, offensive weapons, or
items that may be used for burglary, theft or criminal damage.
They cannot search through personal papers. Ask the police
what their grounds for suspicion are.

�� If an order under section 60 Criminal Justice & Public
Order Act 1994
is in place, the police can search you or
your vehicle for offensive weapons in anticipation of violence,
regardless of whether they suspect you. Again, they cannot go
through your papers.

�� If an order under section 44 Terrorism Act 2000 is in
place, this allows the police to search you or your vehicle for
items associated with terrorism. No reasonable suspicion is
required. The police do have the right to search through your
papers.

�� Section 43 Terrorism Act 2000 permits the police to
search you or your vehicle for articles associated with terrorism
if they reasonably suspect you to be a terrorist. Ask the police
what their grounds for suspicion are. They can search through
your papers. Terrorism includes serious property damage as
well as violence.





If they don't follow the rules you may have some grounds to d them for unfair treatment etc.. but if it comes to this, best consult a lawer Wink
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't sound like a big deal, agreeing that you could be be searched is a condition of entry for most (if not all) the big festivals. They by no means have the man power to search everyone, it'll only be a small number of people who get searched compared to the total number of attendees.

Unless you were planning on bringing any guns or knives then you shouldn't have a problem. It's not bikers being victimised.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 29 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The law also states you can't be asked to remove your footwear without being taken to a place out of public view. Which normally means being arrested and taken back to the station.

You may be asked to remove an outter jacket and gloves.

If police are searching people they'll be looking for weapons, it's unlikely they'll bother with little bits of weed. Probably more pat downs and quick looks in bags than turfing pockets out.

Gaz
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