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 Aldbro_Bev Nova Slayer

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 Posted: 20:19 - 31 Jul 2008 Post subject: That Old Chestnut (CCT's) |
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It would transpire that I have to be the luckiest son a bitch (or even daughter) that I know.
Let me share with you a story........
Last weekend, Saturday to be precise I'm doing my 3rd ROSPA Advanced Lesson and about 10 minutes into it, and TBH so far on these lessons I'd been jinxed;
1st time it wazzed it down & I got pissed on
2nd time, It wazzed it down & got pissed on AND when I was doing my "POWDER" check at the beginning of the lesson embaressingly discovers that my front brake light out not working and infact not even connected, whoops says I
SO, into 3rd lesson gets not even 5 mile down the road, nice and sunny (for a change) and everything happened so fast......
I'll try my best to describe, Sound of a lollystick in spokes type sound, like a ticking, but metal sounding and coming from the engine, Of feck thinks I and rapidly slows down, life saver, indicator (all this is happening in seconds) and by the time I'd stopped, so had the engine, and I thinks, "Hmmmmm, that wasn't good"
Gingerly, I tries the engine after I'd ripped all my gear off in the seering heat as my instructor says, "What's wrong" and the sound eminating from the engine on turnover, sounded.....
EXPENSIVE!! (Metal & grinding)
Now I'm not a mechanic, in fact, I'm blonde, female and bloody frantic by this time thinking, "Oh bloody hell that really did not sound good, perhaps something to do with Cam Chain"???
Now like I said, I don't dooo mechanics, but from what I've learnt over time I was always led to believe that if it was Cam Chain trouble, I can safely presume that the Valves & Pistons, etc. may well be stuffed?
From what I've gathered off other Forums, etc Honda & Firestorms & V Twins can be prone to Cam Chain (Tensioner) problems, and have even got their own little abbreviation Everyone seems to talk about CCT problems at some point or other.
The guy who was looking after my bike and mending it in a Hull Bike Shop (no names mentioned, they just happen to lower bikes) lol asked me what the word on the internet was;
I discovered that Storms can be prone to chucking springs at the drop of a hat after only 6000Km due to chain whip or excessive engine braking (that's me, I'm a bugger for it)
(Get on with it I hear you say)
Upshot...... He gets in there and expects to find abit of a mess, and......
WOW!! unbeleivable! Everythings spotless, The CCT had snapped it's front spring and NOT A THING or so it seems has been touched, bent or broke!! PHEWWWWWW
I can't believe it, and this is exactley why I'm posting on here,
Dave says the Bike sounds sweet, I've rode it home and the bike does sound sweet, but I can't help only 99.9% faith that everything will be OK, because I'm led to believe that IT IS UNUSUAL for there to be no damge whatsoever?
Now I'm riding up to Scotland on my baby next Thursday, all the way out into yonder back sticks up over Applecross Pass, and even if I manage to get a signal on my phone, I can't imagine that the AA will be over entralled at having to come out to me
Dave reckons the bike'll be fine, I'm thinking It'll be fine which is why I'm going, what I want to know is what others think????
Is it an unusual thing for there to be no damage?
Am I THAT lucky?? (Dave suggested I put a lottery ticket on this week)
and would YOU take the chance in having little time to run the bike around before a long journey up to Scotland?
Any info appreciated
I'll shurrup and stop waffling now
Cheers muchly
Bev x  ____________________ Warning - MAD WOMAN ON THE LOOSE WITH A BRIGHT ORANGE MOTORBIKE! |
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If the bike is running fine now I can't see why it wouldn't do the trip. I can't see what there is to gain from riding the bike around before going on the long trip.
You're covered with the AA and it doesn't matter where you are they should still come to you.
I wouldn't worry though and would enjoy the trip  |
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 stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist

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 Posted: 20:59 - 31 Jul 2008 Post subject: |
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Thing is with a 4-stroke, if it does damage itself with a camchain failure, the wreckage is usually extensive. It's not like a 2-stroke that can nip up then free off again with scoring on the bore. If a 4-stroke lets go, the engine generally eats itself in a spectacular fashion.
The fact that the engine is running suggests no damage has been done. If a piston had hit a valve, you'd be looking at a new engine.
The above is one of the reasons I chose a bike with gear driven cams (VFR750). No camchain, no CCT. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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Honda CCT's ARE pants.
Fireblade I just sold needed it replaced badly.
Firestorm CCT's are notoriously bad, if I ever bought one it's the first thing I'd replace on it.
CBR600's are the same.
You got damn lucky.  |
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| Aldbro_Bev wrote: |
I've heard about these gear driven Cams, Duc's have 'em don't they? and when they go wrong, apparently they go Famously wrong????
Is it also true I've heard that Honda CCT's are pants, or renowned for being pants?? |
Ducatis are Italian, the Italians always have to go one better than everyone else.
The only CCT I can think of that works really well is the hydraulic one in the C90cub. So effective I bet most people don't even know what it looks like. Essentially a roller that is pressed against the camchain by the engine oil pressure. The more you rag it, the harder it presses.
There again, the whole camchain carry on is highly dubious to my mind. Why they don't make them all either gear driven or belt driven with the belt up one side under a cover as a replaceable service item (like they do with cars), I don't know. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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| stinkwheel wrote: | | Aldbro_Bev wrote: |
I've heard about these gear driven Cams, Duc's have 'em don't they? and when they go wrong, apparently they go Famously wrong????
Is it also true I've heard that Honda CCT's are pants, or renowned for being pants?? |
Ducatis are Italian, the Italians always have to go one better than everyone else.
The only CCT I can think of that works really well is the hydraulic one in the C90cub. So effective I bet most people don't even know what it looks like. Essentially a roller that is pressed against the camchain by the engine oil pressure. The more you rag it, the harder it presses.
There again, the whole camchain carry on is highly dubious to my mind. Why they don't make them all either gear driven or belt driven with the belt up one side under a cover as a replaceable service item (like they do with cars), I don't know. |
Thus enabling the C90 to do what it does best, Goes ON & On & On..... in fact right around the world I believe, I'm sure someone's been around the world on a C90, or at least they were talking about doing it.
The downside of Belt driven is Silent but deadly as far as I've been told, It's a bugger when it's on it's way out as ya can't hear. Apparently car mecahnics started griping about the problem when they fazed out Chain driven on cars, this is only what I've heard, not sure if there's any truth to it??
I love this learning business, it's marvellous I'm also a total Classic Aeroplane, Spitfire and Merlin freak and was buzzing when I used to have the pub and the pub one day (mainly comprising of blokes) explained to me the whole principle of engines, Singles, Twins, Triples, fours, etc. etc. I find it fascinating WHEN I UNDERSTAND! Until last week I'd never totally comprehended about Cams & Chains & tensioners, NOW I've got a Tensioner right here beside me as an ornament AND I KNOW HOW IT WORKS
Let's commence lesson 2 next week........ Air intakes
1 thing at a time, I'm blonde, and I can't cope with too much data intake  ____________________ Warning - MAD WOMAN ON THE LOOSE WITH A BRIGHT ORANGE MOTORBIKE! |
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Aaah sorry...didn't realise you were the original poster! How unobservant am I?
The bike I just sold yesterday, started off as a tickle and then became a proper clatter! Glad I sold it to a mechanic as I didn't have the tools! Other than the VTR CCT's, as I understand it, the engines are absolutely solid.
BTW - If you have race cans on, you might have drowned out the sound of the CCT.  |
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| Kickstart wrote: | Belts are a lousy idea, still need tensioning like a chain but more prone to failure. Not uncommon for the belts on a car to be a very expensive service item as the tensioners as it is best to replace the various tensioners at the same time.
Cars are going back to chains as they are far more reliable. Basically chains will easily last the life of most cars. |
Surely though if a chain were to break, and they do, it would cost more than the equivalent belt? Most cars are still belt driven though aren't they? I mean I have only seen a few chain driven cars recently, the BMW E30 being one I believe. Isn't that more of a racing spec item persay, for a car? I figure most race cars are probably chain driven.
As for gear driven cams, I love them. I love the sound and I love the fact my engine will munch itself before I have to even start considering the cams being a problem. Both my bikes were cheap as well so although it may well have been over-engineered and unnecessary, it was on (in my case) Honda's back and they paid the difference. My bikes are only easier to work on for it. Admittedly I am not tuning here.
I don't really see any actual price difference between bikes with gear driven cams and bikes without. Although I agree with you that they are expensive to make and that is why more bikes do happen to have cam-chains.
And to the op, I agree completely with the above sentiments. If your CCT has been replaced and your engine is still running as it was before, it seems the risk has already been and passed. ____________________ Bikes: 1998 Honda VFR800Fi, 26,500 miles
1989 Honda CB-1, 38,000 miles |
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or modify your cct to make it a manual tentioner. at the end of the cct there is a bolt about 5 millimeters long unscrew this bolt then screw a bolt about 20 mill long with a lock nut in,with the engine runing carfully turn the bolt in by hand untill it tuches the ajuster inside you will know cos it will vibrate a bit,then screw in asmall amount untill the chain stops ratteling then lock it off with the lock nut ,cheep and effective  |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 344 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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