China Import's!

petemell · Trackday Trickster Joined: 01 Apr 2008 Karma :

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Dragonfly · Super Spammer Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Karma :

Its not just A chinese bike its the cheap ones. Like Lifan,sanya,yamasaki (yeah thats actuallty a make!) and the likes that start frmo £500-£800 brand new on ebay. Dealers will not sell them here or even entertain them. I am speaking from personal esperiance as I owed a death trap lifan and my mates all went and got these cheap things and they are crap. The workmanship is terrible, the quality of the produts used in it are bog standard and I am surprised they are allowed to be sold.

I must rather pay bigger money for a cg as they have proved they an last longer. I dont see lists of sanya 10 years old for sale anywhere in working order? I dont even see a 4 year old lifan in working order i see them sold for parts for poeple who cant get the parts for them.

They arent biuld for reliability or any length of time to last. why would anyone want to stick up for a bike thats let down so many people ? you may think yours is great until it falls to pieces of your forever sittig with a spanner looking at it. Could be like me it took me months to get a light bulb withthe chinese fitting in it an i eventually had to tear it off as i wasnt paying stupid money or the bulb off the internet. All the origial parts where crap and had to be replaced near instantly! it failed its first buggering MOT over a faulty swing arm that couldnt be replaced as all the lifans i found (which was 2) had the same fault.

So I sold the piece of crap to a knowing person and got half of what i paid for it and that was lucky! then i bought an 11 year old rebel. And then a maurauder and they are still bloody going!

I prefer to get what i pay for!

ps oh and plenty of people told me my lifan was crap and to sell it when i got it and i didnt believe them. I wasnt sticking up for it though but I learned! oh I learned.

chris-red · Have you considered a TDM? Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Karma :

What does it matter if the Jap stuff was shit when it came out? It brilliant now.

The Chinkie stuff is wank, no 2 ways about it. Yeah they might get better and start making good bikes, good for them but at the moment they are crap. I'm not gonna buy a chinkie bike because the manufactures might be good in 10/20 years time. The bikes are frankly dangerous and if you don't believe me have a word with Mattspratt, the frame on his Lifan snapped Shocked

. I don't think that was more than a couple of years old. Judging by pictures he isn't exactly American in size, either.

It's cheap and it's poor, and 95% of people would rather have a £500 20 year old jap bike than a £1000 brand new Chinkie one. I know what would last longer too.
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Kal · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Karma :

No one is disputing that Pete, but thats another day a fair way away yet.

It took the Japanese machinery 20 years to climb to the top of the heap, and the Koreans about the same so my money is on the Chinese producing solid machinery in around fifteen years, until then the only Chinese bike I would be tempted by is the Chang-Jiang

https://www.chang-jiang.com/bmw/t2.jpg
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A quick word on New Bike Registrations

Most new registrations are Peds, second are crotch rockets - however this does not in any way prove there are more of them on the road.

Statistically both are in catagories likely to be written off.

New registrations of Chinese bikes proves a large number have been purchased new, not that there are a large number currently on the road.

Although all Lennys are Dwarves, not all Dwarves are named Lenny...
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Naggedalot · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Karma :

Why would you want to buy something you are going to entrust your life upon from an ant farm like China? Even the people there are disposable so it doesnt bode well for anything they are flogging to any country that will take it!!!

I have seen loads of these rot boxes and even tho they are only 12 months old, they are so rusty they look like farm tools!

Why pay £800 for a bike to last 2 years tops (very tops) only to buy another one again...surely its cost efective to buy something of quality once for twice the cash!

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Naggedalot · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Karma :

Why would you want to buy something you are going to entrust your life upon from an ant farm like China? Even the people there are disposable so it doesnt bode well for anything they are flogging to any country that will take it!!!..If they complained they would be taken to Tianamen Square and promptly shot!

I have seen loads of these rot boxes and even tho they are only 12 months old, they are so rusty they look like farm tools!

Why pay £800 for a bike to last 2 years tops (very tops) only to buy another one again...surely its cost efective to buy something of quality once for twice the cash!

bbqnm56 · L Plate Warrior Joined: 28 Nov 2007 Karma :

I got two china bikes with 12000 miles between them and avg. 85 mpg in 15 months. Only thing thats really gone wrong are two flats!!. Best value biking I have ever had in 27 years of owning bikes. oh yes, and these two are in excellent nick- no rust although paintwork is fading.

Kal · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Karma :

Point taken that there are good examples coming through, but there is an awful lot of shite coming through too as well and it seems to be entirely random as too which one you get.

My best friends folks had an FSO when we young, for those too young to remember it was an Eastern European motor which was not known for its reliability or resistant to rust - however they had that motor for years.

My CeeGee had more than 54,000 miles averaging 110mpg before it was stolen - all of its problems had been caused by human intervention. Very Happy

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Rowey · World Chat Champion Joined: 07 Oct 2007 Karma :

I thought I would leave this alone but I had good old chuckle today regarding this topic. A mechanic I've been going to a little while started selling Chinese bikes a while ago. He's not impressed with them, but manages to sell a few on the side, mainly peds to kids. And it gives him a little extra cash over just recovery/repair.

Any way, today I had my bike down there, to have a little work done. When I came back at the end of the day to pick it up, it was parked next to a Chinese cruiser. We got chatting about my bike, and how I'm planning to sell it. He began complementing the condition of my bike, having no rust and very little tarnishing. Then looked at the two year old Chinese cruiser next to it and said "They don't make um like they used to, this bike is rusting all all over the place" pointing to the cruiser. And told me a few of the common faults with them.

My bike is a 27 (1981) year old Honda CB250N. A 27 year old bike should never be in better operating and cosmetic condition than a two year old, road legal bike, of any origin.
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Kal · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Karma :

They've become a bit of a collectors item.

My misses would kill me if I brought another bike home though, especally if it wasn't T&T'd. Sad

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Dragonfly · Super Spammer Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Karma :

I have one of them hondas thats 33 years old in my garage and the engine still ticks over if not a bit battered looking. I bet you wont see a sanya or pioneer in 33 years years like that.