Engine braking

[Gary SuperSprint]

Hi all, In my cbt the instructer told me for the emergency stop that i didn't need to use engine braking for the cbt only for bike test when i do that. Is it quicker to stop a bike with engine braking aswell? Thanks.
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[Jai466]

it will give you more control of the bike as you will slow down with engine brake...

I awalys use engine braking wen I can carefully not to lock the back wheel... as then comming to a slow you more slow and safe to stop other than stopping at a much faster speed. Also it mean that you planning ahead which is always good...

[Wise1]

For the Emergency stop the name of the game i stop as quickly and safely as possible. In order to do that you use the brakes and brakes only. Pull the clutch in at the last moment to prevent locking up.

You should not attempt to come down gears and use the engine as a brake, it will take too long and apart from anything be considered a major (fail).
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[Whosthedaddy]

[Jai466]

[Wise1]

Coming down gears and using the engine as a brake will fail you on test. The process for the E stop is:

In dry conditions

Throttle off
Apply front brake lightly and progressively
Apply Back brake
Clutch in just before you stop
Obs - Look left and right
paddle bike into side of road
Into Nuetral
Wait for further instructions from examiner


Obviously varies slightly depending on road conditions.
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Previous - GSXR750 SRAD, Fireblade, ZXR750, CBR600

[Jai466]

How about when not comming to a E stop like stopping at the traffic lights?

[ajb]

[Wise1]

Its always best to use the engine as a brake when coming up to traffic lights by coming down the gears. Of course a light touch of the back will warn those behind that your slowing.

Last thing you want to do is stop at lights in 4th and just as they are going to green your fumbling about trying to find 1st.

edit - as AJB said
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[The Disapproving Brit]

On a slight tangent, is it acceptable to stall during an E-stop on the test?
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Bike Test Passed 18/03/09, Car Test Passed 14/05/13

[Moonie]

No, you have to keep the bike running.

And make sure if you do engine brake to only click it into first at the last minuite or the back will lock up.
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[Wise1]

Its a minor if you stall the engine, but better a minor and stall it than a major and lock it up.
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Previous - GSXR750 SRAD, Fireblade, ZXR750, CBR600

[Mudskipper]

[blindside666]

I failed my test this morning on one thing and one thing only, emergancy stop. I came around and as I did it, the back wheel locked up. Did U-Turns and all perfectly well, just cocked up the emergancy stop.

Now locking the back wheel is NOT the end of the world if it comes to that. I was told afterwards that if I would have released the back brake and controlled the bike to a stop I would have passed!

In my test he asked me to ride around the block then come up to an emergancy stop, my mother did her test recently and just admitted she slowed down slightly from 30 to about 23-25mph as she knew it was coming. Then as said above, on with the front brake, then back, clutch at the last moment, then sort out obs and gears and such. Stopping without locking is the key.

On another note, I got two minor marks for gears on my test, stupid mistakes! I pulled up to the roundabout and for reasons I cannot quite fathom, stopped in 3rd. My bike was being a bitch, did NOT want to go down, I got it into 2nd, saw the examiner getting impatient and thought f**k it and set off. Always best to be in 1st or neutral if your stopped!

Anyway I'm going to take the test again... and get it right this time!
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Current Bike: Lifan GY125
CBT: 15th June 2008
A2 Passed: 16th October 2008

[MattHirst]

[Kal]

[Whosthedaddy]

[Moonie]

CBT instructor said that you had to keep it running.

Meh.
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[Kal]

It's good practise to have the engine running, but it isn't essential
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[The Disapproving Brit]

My CBT instructor said that the reason you paddle to the side is precisely because you could have stalled it, and you need to get somewhere safe before attempting to pull off again. I'm pretty sure he mentioned that it was different for scooters, since they didn't stall, but I wasn't actually paying a lot of attention to the scooter-specific stuff.
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Current Bikes: 1983 Honda VF400FD / 2003 Honda VT750 Shadow
Bike Test Passed 18/03/09, Car Test Passed 14/05/13

[Whosthedaddy]