Installing speakers into the parcel-shelf of a car.

[JonB]

Right on the outset this seems like a chav like question to ask.

However, my Citroen C1 only has two very poor speakers at the very front of the car which has no quality to the sound at all. Usually a stock setup in a car is enough for me, but anything above vaguely loud sounds tinny and un-satisfying.

Therefore I am looking to install some half decent speakers to the rear of my car and not use the two front ones already installed. I have absolutely zero knowledge of car electrics and so installing is going to be a pain in the ass as it is.

My main bone of contention is if i'll still be able to take the parcel-shelf out of the car when I want to load more than a weeks worth of shopping (The C1 possibly has the smallest boot space of any car about). What I mean by this is can you disconnect the speakers easily enough to be able to take parcelshelf out of the car?

This may sound confusing, I apologise in advance if it is, but I have no idea what I am talking about.
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[D O G]

Do it properly and put decent speakers in the FRONT.

You don't go to a concert then stand with your back to the stage.

Should be easy enough, just remove door panels, speakers, see how big (and deep) your hole is, get some better speakers to fit (preferably co-axials with an in-built tweeter, if you don't already have separate tweeters). Wire up, install, job done.

Plus, you won't knacker the parcel shelf, display your 'mad' speakers to the local chavs, and the inside will look stock, retaining the value of the car.

I did it in my Daewoo (ok, don't laugh), bought the cheapest, biggest speakers that would fit (for like 25squid - last season's Panasonics), wired them up and installed. No probs, and plenty enough volume and clarity for me. It's loud enough to make me want to turn it down before I get any distortion.

Speakers in the parcel shelf is cowboy style.

[Finglonga]

You would be better to put a decent set of component in the front as you will get no highs or mids from the rear. Then fit a sub for the bass.
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[Mr Hammers]

[Fawbish]

I installed some rear speakers in me gfs old Rover, wasnt hard at all, i did it with a knife and a small screw driver.

Mind you, it had rear speakers to begin with. But it wouldnt be hard to make some connectors up (or, grab some from Halfords or soemthing, you can get "grip connectors" theyre easy enough.)

and run some wire to the rear, should be easy.

However, if you want better quality, your radio/stero system might need upgrading, as speakers wont just don the job by themselves if the origin of the music isnt good enough anyway.

Id only use a sub if you were doing a proper jobby.

We got some nice looking "Fly" ones for about 30 quid for two 6" speakers, they look good, pretty tasteful, and sound a lot better than standard. Might do the rest soon, but the car has 122K miles, so might not have enough time left
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[JonB]

The main problem I have with installing them at the front is that my car doesn't have your conventional door speakers. Instead the speakers are right at the front of the dash, which I imagine will be a royal pain in the arse to get too.

I too would much prefer decent sound from the front.

Not should I would want a woofer as: -
A) The boot is tiny, wouldn't want to stick something like a woofer in it.
B) I'm on a tight budget.

My car dash...

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/JonBod/DSC00438.jpg
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[JonB]

[EuropeanNC30R...]

Parcel shelf speakers are pure chav. The only thing you want coming from behind you is bass - rear speakers in cars are for rear passengers.

[Kickstart]

[JonB]

I'm just gonna have a search about on the net for some sort of guide to changing the speakers.

My spec of the C1 is the lowest spec available. Not even got central locking or leccy windows. The courtesy light doesn't even come on when the passenger door is open.
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[Kickstart]

[JonB]

Well that was easy...

Found out how to get to the speakers on the Toyota Aygo owners club site.

[D O G]

You really won't need a sub if you put some decent speakers in. However, 100mm isn't that big - so they may lack bass. I would look at the hole first, and see if you can get something bigger in there - it may well be possible.

The original speakers in my car were 100mm, but 130's went in no problem, and have plenty of bass, even when I dust off the old drum n bass choons!

Even if you can go no bigger, you may find you don't want/need the extra kick a sub will bring.

As for type of speaker, pretty much any of the big names' entry level co-axial speakers will be many, many times better than the ones in there at the moment. Don't worry about it too much.

Oh, and someone said about uprating the head unit. From my understanding, the weakest link in the majority of original car audio equipment is the speakers, not the head unit. Personally I wouldn't go there at all.

[Fawbish]

Well I only suggested that as the ol' Rover is '96 reg. Its original stuff is not up to much


If youve got a newer head unit and its good, cool.


But my only point was that some people will buy new speakers, expecting it to be perfect, and not realise the headunit is letting the modern (better) speakers down.


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[D O G]

True. Unfortunately the gays who now design car interiors make the most annoying head units, no longer the standard letterbox.

I just had a look on th epics of his interior - the head unit is all swoopy and that. Major ballache to change, and it would look pump.

[JonB]

OK. So it seems that a sub might well be a bit pointless in my car. I'm sure Tiesto will sound good without it.

So the difference between a pair of £15 kenwood speakers is likely to have little difference over some costing £28?
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[Wave2k]

Ive got a set of 6x9s in my parcel shelf (i didnt put them there), but i love music specially when its put through quality speakers.

No amp just a set of speakers wired up to a good head unit.
Best 'mod' you can make to a car imo
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[JonB]

Well i'm a lot like that and usually stock speakers are pretty good, but these are dire. I have a decent sound setup on the PC and when you got a decent tune on through decent speakers it makes the hairs on my neck tingle.

Apparantly the head unit in my car was made in conjunction with Panasonic and Toyota, so I reckon that would do fine and the CD player looks really well tied in with the dash and it has an AUX input, so I really don't want to buy a new head unit.
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[JonB]

I'm a bit confused, what is the difference between dual cone and co-axial speakers?!
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[JonB]

Another question also, what is better a 2-way or 3-way speaker?
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[Finglonga]

Dual Cone . . .

https://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/10387377/Car_Speaker__CS2005_B_.jpg

2 Way Coaxle . . .

https://www.allproducts.com/manufacture100/ztzaudio/product2-s.jpg

3Way . . .

https://carjamz.com/zen/images/15-PRC63.gif

But component 2 ways would be easier to fit . .


https://img.alibaba.com/photo/101012445/Hertz_Hsk_165_2_Way_Component_Car_Speaker.jpg

As you can get the tweeter in the correct place for the best sound.
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Andy Sez....
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[tutton]

When my brother has been installing speakers and subs etc into his hot hatches and that.

He kept hammering into me the higher the wattage the better it will sound up louder. so go for some nice Alipines or JVC's
https://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/product_m-alpine-sxe-6925s_p-21902.htm
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[chrisw]

[JonB]

I presume car speakers are the same as normal speakers and i've always followed the line of thought that more factors come in than just pure wattage.

depth of sound frequencies is quite important as well, so i've ended up settling for these: -

https://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/product_m-pioneer-ts-g1002i_p-23155.htm

Not gonna pay £7.99 postage though, luckily their nearest store is in Brum, so a 20 minute drive away, will get them later and give you feedback.
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[Icey]

Have you looked at : https://www.caraudiodirect.com

They have a sale on ATM.
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