Another fine thread, kinda different tho

[st3v3]

There I was, riding along nicely as you do, when a T5 went the other way, my bike being a tad noisey(standard 2t FREE ring ding(sorry, was Fnatics fault)) Back on serious topic, I did a few lifesavers and noticed on my 3rd in about 5 secs he'd turned round and put his lights on. I knew it was for me, just had that feeling so pulled in to see what the prob was, as he asks where my L plates are he radios's in. As I explain I don't need them he starts picking faults with the bike and noticed my TAX disc missing, I inform him that's in the post, at which both the traffic cops have a good laugh, I say I know how it sounds but I applied for it online last night, got the confirmation e-mail through etc...

But, on the fine it says it's for not displaying a VEL, I don't get when he found out over the radio that I was fully legal(except the slightly small plate, lack of working front indi's and no BS stamps on headlight unit)why he had to give me a 7 day produce, JUST for the MOT and a £60 fine for not displaying it, when I had no possible way of displaying it. Before people say you shouldn't have ridden without - thats bullshit cos lots of peeps do and I aint different. Can I appeal against the fine? Seeing as it's pretty much pointless? All the faults he mentioned are fixed and I dont think I can be done for them, as he didn't note them down.

I'd be all for paying up if it was reasonable, but paying for a fine that is pointless and just filling his quota, no ta.

Tips? Advice? the helpful kind ideally, I know it was daft to ride under the circumstances but I had to.
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[carlnicholson...]

Gotta try mate. You have a legal right to appeal, and in this case, a very good chance of getting off.

Yes, the fine is for not displaying, but if you can prove the vehicle was taxed at the time of the alleged offence, you will more than likely be reprieved!

Even if your appeal is unsuccessful, you won't be any worse off, your fine doesn't increase or incurr costs or anything.

9/10 cops would have been fine in reality. I didn't even have tax once as I was waiting for my insurance docs in the post, he wasn't bothered about the tax, just wanted to see my insurance when it came through. Yours musn't have had a good shag for a while I expect.

Good luck
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[ms51ves3]

You could appeal but it won't get you anywhere. It's for not displaying your tax and you didn't display it. It's just one of those things.

In my opinion having a piece of paper now to prove you are taxed is pointless as it doesn't prove anything.

[st3v3]

Well, chives, it proves I am taxed right now, as I was then, which is my point. What if it'd been nicked? Would I of still got a fine? He was a sound guy, they both were but not so sound that he could of let me off when his station informed him I was legit.
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[carlnicholson...]

He was just pretending to be sound in a bid to lull you into being more compliant and receptive. Sound, but still fines you for something he now has proof you haven't done?

You are odds on going to get off, just word your letter of appeal carefully. Be VERY detailed and firm but without being agressive or arrogant.
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[strag]

You have no chance of an appeal. It is for not displaying a vehicle excise licence, end of. Just because loads of people do it (me included) does not mean its OK. Thats like saying because loads of people nick cars Its legal.

Was a bit shitty of him but hey ho.
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[Villers]

My tax disc is sitting in the footwell of my car as they both turned up at the same time and didnt open them until I was in the car.

Ive just realised I rode mine yesterday for the first time in a month without 'displaying' a tax disc. To be honest if the charge for you was being untaxed then you would be ok (even if it is ten days into the month) as you can prove it but unfortunately he has you on the bullshit charge of not displaying it. I cant really see you getting away with it unfortunately as you are bang to rights. Im just imagining the pedantic hearing where the smart arsed question arises 'how come your tax apllication only occured a day before the offence despite it being over a week into the month' followed by accusations of riding without tax before that.

Youve just been unlucky mate, you can try and get out of it but I dont think its going to work out unfortunately.
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[instigator]

Should have questioned him on it.

I ride without mine all the time. Don't want it getting nicked. And I just got my taxed mine last night - my bikes current tax disc expired 06-2007. If it was a T5, it was probably a traffic car then? Don't they have automatic number plate readers and flag things up like no tax? Whorra nobber.

[Villers]

I agree with you instigator, if I lived somewhere where it was likely to be nicked I would carry it about my person instead of on the bike. I think in this case though it seems the police's heads have been turned by the noisy bike and then theyve done their very best to find fault. I dont disagree wwith loud pipes or anything else but if you are going to draw attention I think you should be as legal as is required or else irony will take over.

How many times have you seen those bullshit cop car things on TV where they pull a car for no tax and find the guy has a warrant or something else ridiculous? Its just sods law.
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[st3v3]

@ Villers, it was the first time I'd ridden it in about 5 months so I hadn't had it taxed or been riding untaxed before then. It had ran out about 3 days prior to being re-taxed, but taxed all year before that, if you get me,.

I know I should have waited the 1 day it took, but it was a quick blast round the block like, and I didn't want to get iffy at the time because I would of walked away with points which would have my licenses(car & bike) revoked(within 2 years of passing on both), cos I have 3 points already.

Meh, S'pose I'll pay it then. Can't win everything eh?
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[brier88]

you have 5 days from the start of the tax month to allow time for your tax to arrive in the post. when did they pull you?

[plugger147]

Keep trying it on, if they do want to take it to court then make sure you ask for the officer to be called as a witness. It's a bit risky but the chances are that they wont want a traffic officer to be taken off duty for a call to court for not displaying. If it fucks up you'll have to pay a few extra quid in costs but imo it's worth the risk.
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[st3v3]

I was pulled on,.... er,.... Wednesday night. Tax came through Thursday morning and was ordered Tuesday night.
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[DEN MONKEY]

Isn't the law to display the tax disc rather than just have it?
Not being petty but it might just come down to that.

When you pay for it via the net does it become effective from the date you receive the email?
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[st3v3]

Yeah it's pretty much instant.

And yeah, it is for not displaying, rather than not being actually taxed. He couldn't of done me for that cos I was/am taxed.
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[plugger147]

Thats what I was saying, do the courts/police really want to argue over a few hours. Push it all the way and take the chance of a copper not being tied up in court for half a day to argue over a tax disc.
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Tristan the wrote: just whipped off my trousers to find a big bruise on my arse, caused by matt rear ending me...

[st3v3]

So when I take my duplicate MOT to produce tomorrow, should I say anything then or just follow what it says on the back of the slip if it's worth chancing?

Not my area of expertise tbh, and plugger, your siggy made me lol, how random is it? A mate at work had "I poke badgers with spoons" on his Tshirt, it made my week.(Yes, it has been THAT sh1t. )
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[plugger147]

Were you cautioned for the not displaying of a vel? play dumb don't say anything about it and wait for a fine in the post, then after that wait until very near the expiry date and send in a reply (recorded delivery) asking for the evidence against you and for the officer to be present as a witness at your court date.
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Tristan the wrote: just whipped off my trousers to find a big bruise on my arse, caused by matt rear ending me...

[st3v3]

They did sit me in the back of the car while writing out the slip thing with the details on and gimme the caution type speech.. so I guess so.
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[Villers]

I must admit I do this all the time without thinking of it. Normally on a sunday night I'll remember to get it done online and then think nothing of it. This is both the car and the bike.

I still think its very pissy not to let you off with just some kind of verbal. I think if I knew my bike was 100% I would have been just as pissy back to them. All Ive got to worry about is the small plate as far as I know so may be able to get away with what I said to the piece of shit who topped me for my car plate (plate had fallen off on the way home from work somehow, this officer follwed me for six miles and then pulled me in tescos car park - obviously just to look important)

'Whats the worst Im looking at then'
'I could give you a £30 fine'
'No points?'
'No'
'Well if thats the best youve got go ahead and let me get on with my fucking day'

Must have amused him because I didnt get anything. Ive always wanted to say 'Your either giving me the ticket or a bollocking, Im not going to stand here and take both' ha ha but im too much of a shithouse

So what you going to do Steve? Take it or fight it?
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[G]

As above, you are breaking the law, so not much you can do on those grounds.

I'd be writing up a letter to the chief of police and maybe a local paper asking if this is really a good use of police time, maybe. Not that it'll do much, I'm sure.

I'd say he was far from 'sound' if he did you for failing to display when it was in the post.

[virus]

I got a pull similar to this, well I say a pull, they never lit up, never stopped me, and didn't caution me, just followed me all the way home and spoke to me when I parked on my drive.

Mostly about claiming my cb250rs made more than 33bhp and how the V5 said blue (had sprayed it matt black the day before). They also moaned at me not displaying tax, I managed to get away with the 'Ive had it stolen before so I dont risk it' followed by pulling it out of the tailpiece storage.


Might start displaying the tax on my 750, just got to get a holder.
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stinkwheel Well I just had my hands up a pigs fanny. Which makes your concerns pale into insignificance.

[Whosthedaddy]

[strag]

[st3v3]

Failure to display VEL or something similar was the fine. The old one was lost before I knew it had ran out. I found out before even starting the bike and waited til I'd taxed it before any use.

I dunno whether to push it fightin it, because I know they have bang to rights. I would love to stand in court and point out what a useless system it is and what a waste of all our time's this has been. When it was checked electronically at the scene why need to show it? What if it had been nicked and I hadn't noticed? They can tell with a 2 second radio query so the lazy twats should of let me on my way, without the commotion. I produced my MOT as ordered today but I'm still not decided to pay it, if I have nowt to lose or incur then I might just risk a hearing. But if it's gonna cost me more i'll pay it, that £60 will cover my MOT and next tarty bit.
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