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elrasho
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Keeping warm Reply with quote

As winter is round the corner, any advice for a newbie biker on how to keep warm and dry?

What make of bike gear would you guys recommend? When I say make I really mean brand. Are motorcycle boots really that necessary if im riding a YBR 125? They seem like a hassle to me
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

layers layers layers!!!! As for brands it depends entirely on your budget.
Yes wear boots! If the unthinkable happens it'll be too late to buy any as they only come in pairs Mr. Green


I'd imagine losing a foot could be a "bit of a hassle" too
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot water bottle in your jacket. Sounds silly but works great.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Keeping warm Reply with quote

elrasho wrote:
As winter is round the corner, any advice for a newbie biker on how to keep warm and dry?

Depends on what distance you're riding and if you ride in the wet as well!

Invest in some thermals - that's top and bottoms, regardles of how stupid you may feel in the trousers. Plenty of makes out there. Outdoor (walking/climbing shops) may offer better value than bike shops.

Best to keep your extremities warm otherwise you're thinking of how cold they are (and cold can be painful) and not concentrating on riding. Some good socks, wool etc. or the biker type designed with padded bits. Under those some thermal or silk ones. Alternative is over the socks some of the gortex type over socks. Advantage of these if boots leak your feet are dry.

Hands I'd recommend the lobster type gloves (see below). I use Hein Gericke's versions (there are other makes). I love these in winter but they can take getting used to. Alternative is normal winter gloves with silk/thermal inners. Another trick for winter riding is fitting hand guards as these keep the cold air from your fingers.

https://www.mandp.co.uk/netalogue/photos/large/GWWGLBFAF.jpg
click on image or for Hein Gericke Pathan click here

As for the main body/legs go for layers. This traps the air and keeps it warm. You'll need a wind/waterproof bike jacket on top of it all.

Remember to wear a neck tube to cut out the cold between your helmet.

elrasho wrote:
Are motorcycle boots really that necessary if im riding a YBR 125? They seem like a hassle to me

Only if you'd like the option of walking after coming off. If you don't like the full boot look for something like the Akito Miami type (do a google/eBay).

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PostPosted: 13:10 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The forecast is for another mild winter and not as wet as last year, so you're not going to have to worry too much.

A pair of women's tights under jeans works well, just have your story ready when the nurse in A&E is cutting them away Embarassed
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
T...A pair of women's tights under jeans works well...

Very Happy ....says the guy who prefers stocking and suspenders. Apparently it's easier for the toilet stops (so I've been told Embarassed).

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PostPosted: 13:21 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

with you on the tights resorted to that on some of the really cold days last winter, up at five on a cold frosty morning to ride the 125 to London
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Keeping warm Reply with quote

elrasho wrote:
Are motorcycle boots really that necessary if im riding a YBR 125? They seem like a hassle to me


The road doesnt get harder the bigger your bike is, falling off at 60 hurts just as much on a 125 as it would on a litre sports bike.

Have you considered the lower bike boots? Ankle sized, not full length.
I have got a puma pair, much more protection than normal boots or trainers.
Boots


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Got mine as i can stay in them at work to save the hassle
Draggin Jeans, Richa Jacket, ankle boots and of course helmet.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Il be doing 50 mile round trip every day along dual carriage ways and A roads.

I get the picture, boots are important thanks for drumming that in
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

just scout round for textiles, go to a shop and try stuff on for size once you know what sizes you are buy it from the cheapest place eBay local shop etc , be aware though that different brands sizings can be miles apart as long as it fits.

Oh yea and boots boots boots Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

having a look around at gear and WOW its gonna be expensive!!

What make Helmet would you recommend, im looking on https://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/shop/index.php/cPath/43 and have no idea
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto on layers. Thermals and inner gloves, as many pairs of socks as you can fit under your boots. I also have some 'boot liners' which go over socks, they are windproof and fucking awesome.

If you are skint, army thermals can be had for just a few quid, rest of gear (except for helmet of course!) look second hand, ebay, the for sale section here etc.

When I started out I had some £25 second hand ankle bike boots, £5 second hand leather gloves and my ancient leather jacket. Invested in some £70 textile trousers once I could afford it (and realised how vunerable my legs were).

You can upgrade as you can afford. I now have 3 pairs of bike boots, 2 leather suits, a textile suit and 4 pairs of gloves. Oh and 3 lids... Laughing

Don't rule out army boots if you don't want to have to change footwear when you get off the bike. I mostly wear german para boots in winter, they fit like gloves and are surprisingly waterproof.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

elrasho wrote:
What make Helmet would you recommend, im looking on https://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/shop/index.php/cPath/43 and have no idea


helmets most important attribute is the fit
if it fits badly, it wont be of much use in a crash
get down to your local bike shops and try them on
ask the assistants for help, if they arent helpful then move on to a diff shop

I have always found HG helpful, but it does tend to vary shop to shop, the preston one is quite good, no idea where you are based though


for the rest of it shop around, you can spend as much, or as little as you like.
u can spend thousands, or you can have the whole lot come in under a 100 quid
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

elrasho wrote:
having a look around at gear and WOW its gonna be expensive!!

The army surplus advice is a good one for keeping costs down.
It reminded me of the pic below from stinkwheel in this commuting in winter thread - clicky. You may find some other useful tips in it.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/clothing.jpg
The Akito Miami boots I mentioned are at least half the cost of the Hein Gericke Puma types and the Buffalo lobster gloves are also cheaper.
...but you're right it isn't cheap but as said, start with what you can afford and upgrade as you progress and/or see a good deal.

elrasho wrote:
What make Helmet would you recommend...

With helmets there's no getting around visiting the shops and trying them on. Different makes do fit differently.

It's also coming to the end of the 'season' so bike shops may have some good offers. I know in the past I've had some good buys from Infinity in York.

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PostPosted: 14:22 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Blackburn, I love that shiny window they have on the side of that shop.... used to cruise slowly past it and check my alloys on my beloved Ford Focus lol

Theres also the rocket centre in whitebirk. I'll go down on the weekend.

Ive seen some jackets that have built in thermals, they should do the trick right. My list is as follows:

Helmet
Textile Jacket
Trousers
Boots
Them boot lining things to keep sox dry
Gloves

Anything missing?
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neckprotector over the nose (also helps me avoid helmet hair), £10

Winter gloves (I have a lobster claw pair from Hein Gericke) £35

Also putting the knee pads inside my bike jeans all go a long way to keeping me toasty warm.

I also tend to wear a t-shirt under my shirt, a fleece (neck protector goes under it) with my Leather Jacket and bike boots.

I've said it before and I will say it again - comfort is a safety issue.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
The forecast is for another mild winter and not as wet as last year, so you're not going to have to worry too much.

A pair of women's tights under jeans works well, just have your story ready when the nurse in A&E is cutting them away Embarassed


or long johns. they don't feel as kinky but won't add insult to injury if you have to be cut out of your trousers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got some good Cordura textile pants for around £45
First helmet (Full Face) for around £70 - included free pair of summer gloves
Textile jacket - £50
Waterproof Boots - £40 with free pair of waterproof gloves
Waterproof trousers - £25
Neckwarmer - £9
Toasty Face neckwarmer £15
Second helmet (Flip Up) - £110

That's £254 without the second helmet which isn't too bad, you just need to shop around.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsk..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Collection_of_pies.jpg


Pies lots and lots of them , when I was about 10 stone from when I used to train heavily I'd get kind of cold , now I'm a more hefty 12 stone I get cold less
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've got a balaclava thing (£10)
summer gloves (£90 Embarassed )
frank thomas leather trousers (£160)
cheap shitty leather jacket (£70)
and some arlen ness boots (£170)

admittedly the gloves are overkill, but they look priddy Cool
the rest of it is money fucking well spent.

24 mile daily commute, and i dont tend to feel it, no matter how fast i go or whatever the weather.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

elrasho wrote:
having a look around at gear and WOW its gonna be expensive!!

What make Helmet would you recommend, im looking on https://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/shop/index.php/cPath/43 and have no idea


Not necessarily so.

I paid 2 pounds for a pair of Frank Thomas leathers trousers, 5 pounds for some Frank Thomas boots. Condition: very good and very good.

Ebay is your friend.

If you want to get out ya credit card and pay hundreds - go ahead. But it's a choice to, not a obligation.

I'm a skilled bargain hunter. Most bikers aren't and will say you have to have a budget of 300-400 for gear.

You don't have to. If you employ the skills of a professional spendthrift - patience, decisiveness, and ruthlessness - you'll get all the gear you need for under a ton.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you will not or don't want to fit heated grips then hand guards for the win. Really cuts down the wind chill factor on hands!

Neck tube from camping shop which has a windproof half - for the front - also a good find.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had some plastic bags in my boots today because they where still damp from yesterday monsoon. They actually kept my feet quite warm. Warmer than normal and dry even when todays monsoon struck

Also lots of layer, they seem to keep the cold out better than just one phat layer. yes that is fat spelt with a ph.

oh and neck warmers are a extremely good investment !

Probably best to get a rainsuit or something as there nothing worst than getting soaked and having to change your boxers because its soaked all the way threw. Really bad if it happens twice in 2 days. (not that its ever happened to me Embarassed ) i should really listen to my own advice and buy one haha.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A hi-vis bomber jacket over my normal textile jacket works pretty well. I've discovered that textile jackets' pockets aren't waterproof at all. With one of these you can still put your stuff that needs to stay dry (phone, wallet etc) in your normal jacket pockets even when it's pissing down and you can be sure that they'll stay dry.

Only problem with my jacket is that the collar flaps against my lid violently at anything over 60 Shocked, which is a bit annoying but I'm warm and dry so I'm not too fussed.
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PostPosted: 05:34 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride at some of the coldest times and all I wear currently this is between 10:30pm and 11:00pm and 7-7:30am.


Jeans
T shirt
Triumph Jacket - £55 from the BMF show - without liner
Lidl Trousers - £50 - Without liner.
Ancient gloves water proofand pretty warm.
Alpinestars SMX4 WP boots - £129 - one of the best bits of kit ever.

If it gets colder I will put the liner in my jacket and my Handle bar muffs on.

I have never needed more than that.
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