Cars with Tiptronic/I-shift/DSG?

[Chriss]

In a car, I dislike the clutch pedal (if you drove with me you'd understand), what cars have a shift like Honda's I-shift (paddles, with the option of fully automatic?) Volkswagen have the DSG, what other options are there out there, and has anyone tried any of these?
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[plugger147]

Drove an alfa with paddles a while back, can't remember what model it was though.
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[LustyLew]

My Citroen C2 had the option of a 'flappy paddle' gearbox.

I think was something like £700 extra with the semi-auto gearbox.

It really was quite pants. When you changed gear, it took longer than doing it yourself. I stuck with the manual.

If you go for the genuine article I suspect it wont be cheap and only available on higher spec models. But I will stand to be corrected no doubt.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

There is the old Tiptronic system, but this is just manual overrides on a conventional automatic gearbox. So still the inefficiencies of an auto, and sluggish gear changes. There are also the stepped CVT transmissions.

Ferrari seemed to be the first to come out with a padal gear change on a manual box. Alfa with the Selespeed 156 were the first with a system on affordable car around 2000 (Charlottes mother has one) and they also used the same system on the 147 a year or 2 later. Note that while these systems are generally pretty reliable, there is an issue with a hdeously expensive component wearing out (expect a £1500 bill at about 100k).

There are also a few cars with manual gearboxes but no clutch pedal. First modern one I know of was the Sensonic gearbox on the Saab 900 in the mid 1990s. Renault had the "Easy" transmission on the Clio (we had one for a few years and 100k). And Fiat had the Citymatic transmission on the Seicento. These systems have a normal manual gearstick but no clutch pedal. The conventional clutch is controlled by an electronic control unit.

All the best

Keith
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[Whosthedaddy]

Honda Jazz with flappy paddles or auto box, complete wank.

[Kickstart]

[plugger147]

[Whosthedaddy]

[Cigaro]

The VW DSG one is very good, though most of the others seem to be crap.

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[Visitor Q]

Why don't you just go for an automatic? They all suck but meh, least you can go to sleep in it.

Flappy paddles as mentioned are usually just an add on to automatics to make you feel less of a retard. 'Proper' paddle gearchange is fooking expensive.
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[Graham88]

My Mum's Ford Fusion has Tip-Tronic. I think it's awful. It's slow to respond. Quite often dangerous.

[Robby]

My smart has paddles. It's a manual gearbox with a clutch, but is normally driven in fully automatic mode.

It changes gear slow, and also has a nasty habit changing gear when you put your foot down just past the apex of a corner, or while you're going up a slow uphill bend. The advantage of the paddles or stick is that you can make it hold a gear through a corner.

Do tend to forget that I took it out of auto and drive along in 4th for ages though. Need to press a button on the gearstick to put it back into auto.

I have never heard of a fladdy paddle system that's particularly effective or reliable - seems they can be one or the other, or neither, but never both. Plain old slushbox auto with a big engine is preferable.

[Finglonga]

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[Madmanx]

My wifes AMG had triptronic and it seemed pretty good until I got it stuck in sports mode and had to pay £500 for a new switch.
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[Cigaro]

[NSR Mick]

[Madmanx]

[NSR Mick]

Should have left it in sport then.
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[Chriss]

Fwiw, the reason I want a system like this is because I want a fully automatic, but the wife prefers manual. I quite liked the DSG, bug in manual mode, the gear stick was the wrong way round for both of us (don't know why, but down felt like it should be up, but was in fact, down).

I'll be looking into the Alfa option, thanks.
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[NSR Mick]