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| Bishbash |
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 Posted: 10:41 - 30 Oct 2008 Post subject: Life of a 500cc Engine |
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On average how long would a Suzuki 500 engine last? 60k? 70K miles? By average, lets say its been ridden hard at times... ____________________ My current bikes are - YZF-R1 & GS 500 E
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 stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist

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 Posted: 11:35 - 30 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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The DON-uk ought to be able to tell you. He (literally) rode one into the ground.
My current GPZ500 engine has done over 70k (one rebuild for head gasket, put new rings and camchain in at the same time). This is longer than the chassis lasted. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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 Ben. World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 12:43 - 30 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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probably 100k plus if you do the pistons rings and cam chain at about 70k. ____________________ follow my racing season
Race bike - R6
Road bike - sv650 |
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 Bishbash World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 12:52 - 30 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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Wicked, thanks for your replies, looks as if I will need to do the cam chain then as it sounds as if it will need doing anyway, but I will keep in mind about changing the rings to.
Thanks again.
Neil ____________________ My current bikes are - YZF-R1 & GS 500 E
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 stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist

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 rotax81 Nearly there...

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 Posted: 19:40 - 30 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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the rotary engined thing would be the RE5. i forgot all about that crock  ____________________ ZX636C6F road. ZX636C1H track. ZX7R redundant. ZX0.5R minimoto as ornament.
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 Posted: 09:40 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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did it have 64000 miles?
If so it just had new rings and valve seals  ____________________ Current Bike: 1996 Yamaha TRX850 (The Japanese-Ducati One).
Previous Bikes: 1990 Honda NSR125 'Rothmans' (The smoking one), 1990 Suzuki GS500e 'Caf? fighter' (The loud one), 1987 Kawasaki GPX400r (The quick one), 1997 XJ600s Diversion (The reliable one), 2000 Kawasaki ER-5 (The spontaneously combustive one) |
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 stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist

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 Posted: 10:31 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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| Bishbash wrote: |
Yeah it was a GS500E, but I got outbid last night, so I just won a 1990 GPZ305 for my winter hack. Picked it up for a bargain price of £130 and the bike has only 18000 miles on the clock, true or not, I will see. |
Right. You'll haved heard about how these are unreliable bikes yeah? I'm about to tell you why and what to do about it.
Order a new right hand crankcase cover gasket, or be prepared to make a new one, it is a paper gasket. Order a new oil filter, buy some oil.
Drop the oil, take off the right hand side cover.
You will see an orange plastic sprocket which engages with both the crank and the oil pump. Pull this off and inspect it for signs of wear or damage on the teeth.
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/305/Image091.jpg
The oil pump is held on by two cross head screws. You will need a T-bar screwdriver or an impact driver to undo them. Carefull not to burr them.
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/305/Image092.jpg
Once the oil pump is off, you will see a rubber seal on the end of a pipe in the oil feed channel. Get hold of this in some needle nose pliers and pull it out. It has a guaze filter on the end which will be full of bits of crap. This is why these engines eat their top-ends.
https://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f216/stinkwheel/305/Image093.jpg
Clean it out and reassemble, put a dab of grease in the 'socket' that the oil pump drive sprocket goes into.
Fit a new paper oil filter, put new oil in. Change it regularly (it only holds 1.8l)
The one I had had done about 18k from new, had been dealer serviced and the filter was beginning to get to the point where it would cause problems.
If you don't do the above. The filter will gradually block, the pump will experience increased resistance due to having to suck oil through a smaller hole. At some point the load will exceed the strength of the teeth on that plastic sprocket and they will snap off. You now have zero oil pressure. The motorcycle is NOT fitted with an oil pressure warning light so the first you will know about it is when the cam seizes in the head. You can then sell me all your cycle parts on ebay at a knock-down price .
I've rebuilt one of these engines from the ground up twice in the last six months so if you need any help, PM me. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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 Bishbash World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 11:43 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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OK, you seemed to have made that sound quite simple, I was going to change the oil and filter anyway, but I will also change the other points on the engine.
Thanks so much for telling me this, I would have never known its reliability and what to do about it. How often would you suggest doing this process?
Cheers
Neil ____________________ My current bikes are - YZF-R1 & GS 500 E
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 Posted: 12:00 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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Was it in St Austel? If so my housemate has been umming and ahhing about getting it  |
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 Posted: 12:03 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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Haha, good, cos if he'd bought it the plan was for us to push it the 40 miles to Plymouth over a few days. So thanks for saving me from that  |
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 Posted: 12:18 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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Over summer my CB had a leaky fuel tap, no reserve, no trip counter and no odometer and I had no phone.
In total I pushed it on 5 occasions, totalling just over 25 miles, with the longest stretch being 12.
So with two of us, and a lighter bike it would of been 'a breeze'  |
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I'm impressed, what a friend you are. Don't think any of my mates would help me push a bike 40 miles. In fact I know they would tell me 'sex and travel'.  ____________________ My current bikes are - YZF-R1 & GS 500 E
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 stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist

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 Posted: 16:55 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: |
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| Bishbash wrote: |
Thanks so much for telling me this, I would have never known its reliability and what to do about it. How often would you suggest doing this process? |
About once every 15,000 miles seems about right. They are a lovely bike to ride and faster than they have any right to be (a good one will hit 110mph). Trouble is they are based on a 1970's engine design that has been tweaked and bored out to perform way beyond its original original specification.
This, coupled with the design flaw of a too-small oil pickup located too near the bottom of too small a sump means they are a fairly delicate engine.
That said, you got a running bike for £150, if it lasts the winter, you're quids-in. If you change the oil regularly, warm it up properly and don't push it too hard for too long, it might last even longer than that. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 245 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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