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 Posted: 23:26 - 19 Nov 2008 Post subject: NASA climate change data fudged |
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/19/nasa_giss_cockup_catalog/
precis NASA's climate change figures are fudged, ie we can mess them up but as long as it shows the planet is warming up our mistakes are ok....
NASA's original plot said 0.2C hotter , but when checked revealed it to actually be 0.25C colder..... ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Hmmmm,
The phrase "lies, damn lies and statistics" springs to mind. ____________________ ...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
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https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5949034802461518010&hl=en
cool video about global warming,america may face some economic harm with obamas plans to reduce c02 by 80% in the coming years starting to do so by using heavy taxation on all industry and personal activity's involving the poison gas. |
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I tend to take the view that tax is required, and as long as it is collected fairly I have no great issues about that. Reducing the amount of government wastage to reduce the tax take is a seperate issue.
As such I have no theoretical objection to carbon taxes replacing other taxes. I have no great objection to the basic idea of being taxed on CO2 emitted rather than on income. I have serious objections to how much is due being biased by various special interest groups.
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Such idealism , you really think they'll remove one tax and put inplace another that is better or fairer?.
What will normally happen is that you will be taxed normally and a tax will be put ONTOP of the taxes that you are already paying for...
In the best case scenario they repeal the old tax and replace it with an unfairer more punative tax, say poll tax for council tax....
Ie Labour a few months ago decided to ignore the treaty which exists which states that you cannot tax flights coming into your country or connecting flights away from your country...
ie you can tax a flight from London to Schipol but cannot tax the schipol flight to whereever, Labour wanted to break that treaty and get its hands on ALL the tax for all the journey......
Unintended consequence? , anywhere but london there are barely any flights that go direct anywhere, they all go to Paris schiopol or Berlin and connect via those cities.
Remember keith many of the Labour party were ex communists they want 125% of your income like feudal Japan and to give you back a living allowance , tax credits are exactly this , ie get mugged only to give it back to you..... ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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oh rather than income tax..i got ya
sadly i sense it may be a case of both..adding taxation to curb the use of something is useless if you free other funds for the people concerned.. you believe in man made global warming? |
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i hope the hole scam falls apart in full view of the public and all connected come crashing down on top of it,time will tell. |
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So do I, but I hold out little hope. The evidence that it is largely made up has been readily available for a decade and in that time far more people have been led to think that man made global warming is an urgent and proven problem.
Trouble is that it is an easy source of tax. If you can make people feel guilty about doing something then they will struggle to object to being taxed on it. Hence it is an easy thing to use to replace income tax with little chance of people complaining of being taxed highly.
Reality is that the primary effect will be that any high carbon producing industry will just move to other countries which tax them less.
One reason the UK is keen on it (with it being based against 1990 figures) is that having destroyed the coal industry (and coal power generation creates a fair amount of CO2) since then we have a massive head start to make ourselves look better against other countries.
All the best
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combined with one huge world wide depression and the destroying of nations structure/government,throw in a few massive wars and diseases that take out a few 100 million and what would the world accept then under the shinning light of a promised new future,a one world government,bank,the lot which i am always banging on about,if people cant see the truth with something like global warming and accept anything god help us may or mat not happen i cant care anymore though fuck the lot of it, all the best  |
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It appears as if we are having a convergence of bad things , if China's annual growth falls below 5% per year the entire world economy is toast, as China owns so much debt that it would start spending and releasing this debt , causing a huge catastrophe economically...
a drop from 10% down to 7% means 100,000 out of work and riots and mass violence are already occuring there. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 333 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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