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RS2MATRIX
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PostPosted: 00:20 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Should you filter here or wait it out? Reply with quote

Hi, i have to take this new route to work and cant avoid heavy traffic on a single lane road that is heavily congested on the way home.
So naturally i filter to the front, but its very tight. Heres the expected paint diagram Mr. Green

Red = Cars on left (my lane)
Blue = Oncoming cars in right lane
Orange = My filtering route (being careful for the junction Smile )
Green blob = Me Embarassed

Although ive never had a problem in the limited time ive been taking the route, could it get me in trouble and is it a) worth it b) legal? Bearing in mind the traffic is very heavy, usually not moving and would take around 20-30 mins to get through .

Nick
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats got to be the best paint diagram i have seen in a long while Very Happy

As long as there aren't solid white lines down the middle then you aren't technically doing anything illegal. However if you caused an accident (or was involved in 1) on the bendy bit of the road then you could be seriously abused by the boys in blue, probably got overtaking on a corner and dangerous driving or something.
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a solid white line then it's illegal to cross that and you could get in trouble for that. Need to be very careful if you're filtering when approaching the junction.

I wouldn't sit waiting in the traffic. Razz
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="MattHirst"]Thats got to be the best paint diagram i have seen in a long while Very Happy

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I love the different shades of green! So much care!.

Looks a little tight. If those roads are as bendy as that, I'd be reluctant to filter - I look to see a good 50 metres ahead iff I filter.

Maybe stop next time you are there and take some snaps so we can guage the blind bends?
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would just hop past the cars, one after another. after all, you still make it to the front before them Very Happy
as said, mind the white solid line (on your side) but be aware of impatient drivers that floor it and turn right at that junction.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A link to road on Google Maps is easier than taking photos of the bends. Wink
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least im not getting a unanimous NO which is what i was scared of Smile Again it seems, like 99% of filtering, that its a grey area.

If i was on my 50 still it would be easier Laughing , but on my zxr im finding it harder to balance at super low speed, so have to be careful, i find my self just flicking the mirrors in and creeping my way through, occasionally pulling in and ifnding space for big vehicles, lorries etc. and gradually making my way upto the junction.

Thanks for the replies so far Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Rotax said, just hop past the cars. Pay attention at the junction though, there will be a time when someone decides to U turn there because they're fed up with waiting. I had a similar road layout to navigate on my last commute, and there was always the arsehole who thought that since they had to sit in the queue, you did too.

Is it really the only route you can take?
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd filter if it was legal/safe/necessary in that order, hopping cars would be the way to do it 1 or 2 at a time. As for the junction, I'd join the queue and pass the junction in the queue not alongside another vehicle.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 26 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go another way, even if said way takes a little longer than waiting in the traffic, as long as my wheels were turning i'd be happy.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 27 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have much advice to add but just wanted to say how impressed I am with that diagram. Good effort!

I tackle a similar route in the mornings and tend to swing out a little bit more in the oppposite lane so I can see a bit further around the corner and pull in if necessary.
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PostPosted: 03:59 - 27 Nov 2008    Post subject: Filter yes Reply with quote

Filter but be careful hopefully the oncoming traffic aint going too fast and choose your moments, I sometimes filter on the inside but you know the road better, good luck
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 27 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: Should you filter here or wait it out? Reply with quote

RS2MATRIX wrote:
Hi, i have to take this new route to work and , could it get me in trouble and is it a) worth it b) legal?

Nick


I'll answer B first;

b) is it legal - no, its a solid white line

a) worth it - depends if you want points on your licence and how impatient you are
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 27 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: Should you filter here or wait it out? Reply with quote

strag wrote:
b) is it legal - no, its a solid white line


It is legal to filter within a solid white line so long as you do not cross it.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 27 Nov 2008    Post subject: Re: Should you filter here or wait it out? Reply with quote

RS2MATRIX wrote:
Hi, i have to take this new route to work and , could it get me in trouble and is it a) worth it b) legal?


Hi Nick

Worth it? Hell yes, I filter on all but the worst of days. Is it legal, as many have said as long as you do not cross the white line, preferably without touching the white line.

However as Lee R and someone else said take it slow and steady. Drop into and out of traffic as you need to - especially coming up to that junction.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 27 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

someone said about hopping round the cars 1 at a time, this is wha i woul do, maybe 2 at a time

make sure the car in front is not going to move, wait for a gap in the oncoming traffic and hop away. might take longer but you'll still get there in one piece

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PostPosted: 21:00 - 27 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Approaching that junction i'd be really careful... there'll always be some d*ckhead who decides to take the road and doesn't indicate.

As far as I know you can overtake a car as long as you don't go over the solid white line, sometimes cars are nice enoughto pull over to give you enough space to do that. Often they don't, and sometimes in their jealousy pull out so there isn't enough space for you to get through.

If there's another route you can take, I would.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 30 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said, as long as there isn't a solid like legally it is ok. - even white lines you can cross under certain circumstances!! Wink ... but as a general rule, solid white is a no-no and you WILL get points and a fine if caught (been there done that), the police love it as it is an easy nick!

If you go at silly speed, then the roz will have you, but with a speed differential of say <=15mph, as long as you are not weaving in and out frantically, then you will probably be left alone.

Also consider it is illegal to overtake on the zig-zags before of after a pelican crossing, so you have to wait your turn there.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 30 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to not be the 'meat in the sandwich' too often if you are going to do it. Watch for people letting others out of the junction and dont over commit yourself when overtaking, i.e dont be doing 50 when the traffic is stationary, this way you can pull back in if you misjudge an approaching car.

This time of year when its dark in the mornings aso look for reflections in the sides of the cars ahead of you for oncoming headlights.

Keep your eye on the ball and dont daydream either!

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PostPosted: 02:02 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure you can cross a slid while line as long as the road ahead is clear and you can see it right, more so if there's white dot's on your side.

In the paint pic, I wouldn't cross the line though as it looks like a blind S bend, asking for trouble I reckon.
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PostPosted: 03:12 - 07 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
Sure you can cross a slid while line as long as the road ahead is clear and you can see it right, more so if there's white dot's on your side.

In the paint pic, I wouldn't cross the line though as it looks like a blind S bend, asking for trouble I reckon.


A single solid white line is a command and must be obeyed unless circumstances dictate no other option, ie: following the directions of a constable or pulling round a broken down vehicle

The one you are thinking of is where you have both a broken white line and a solid white line in the centre of the road. In that case the side of the road with the solid white line is commanded not to cross, whereas it is premissable for the side with the broken white line to cross the centre line.
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