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 Posted: 16:58 - 27 Nov 2008 Post subject: Interviews... Selection for dishonest candidates? |
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Just a quick one. Anyone fancy defending the practice of interviewing, where the overwhelming feeling is that the candidate should avoid being honest no matter what.
Honest answers like 'I was desperate for a job and needed the money' are frowned upon, yet some cock and bull like... In fact fuck, I can't even think of the preferred answer to doing some shite saturday work.
It just seems so incredibly bizarre that in the interview you lie continously, just to get the job, so the employer has absolutely no idea what you're /really/ like.
Apparently stating that I work well in teams, but prefer to do my own work is heinous. Team work is something to be relished, no matter the fucktards 'helping' you.
Bah.
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If you wanna get your foot in the doorway Bonny, it cant be covered in shit.
Once they've let you in, doesnt matter much if you dont quite smell all rosy. Just make 'em money and show 'em you can kick the shit out of any job they give you.
Everyone lies. It matters not that it shouldnt be this way, the simple, pure and irrefutable fact is that it is. And yeah, it sucks.
But turn it to your advantage mate. No good having high morals/principles if you wanna make money. No good having ANY if you wanna make serious dosh.
Course theres inbetweens and grey areas. But unfortunately, unless you wanna become a menace to society ( ) you gotta roll with the sheep  ____________________ "Oh....it looks like Average Joe's is forfeiting the match!" - "Yeah, its a risky strategy but lets see if it pays off for 'em Cotton." |
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Aye. I know its the way it is. Which is annoying as when I'm covering big porkies I end up rambling. Joy.
But, is there anyone here who can defend this nonsense? ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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 Posted: 18:23 - 27 Nov 2008 Post subject: Re: Interviews... Selection for dishonest candidates? |
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I have put down such stuff as "various contracting/temporary work to for some extra poecket money" or similar and haven't had a problem with it as that. Remember you don't have to go into the details of every little job you've done - I'd only add them to a CV if they add a positive for the job you were in "gained insight into communicating with a broad selection of society" for a retail job for instance or you need to fill a hole.
Presuming you're talking about previous jobs - obviously if you say this about a job you are currently applying for they're quite reasonably going to go for the person that says they want to keep the job for ten years .
Luckily on CVs and in interview's I've been able to be pretty honest, though it has seemed that often luck is a big part of it.
Being in the right place at the right time when there's a good interviewer that can work out the other people don't know what they're talking about.
I was discussing this whole area with Dusty recently; the problem is partly that it falls to human nature; there will always be someone willing to at least 'embelish' their history: at face value the interviewer is obviosuly going to choose the one that offers the best story.
Unless you get everyone to be absolutley honest, then you're going to have to be a bit 'creative'.
In the end, they've just got what you say to go by, so if you're applying for a job that involves a fair bit of team work, then don't be surpised if they go for the person that says they love working in teams over you that say you don't.
I'd make a point of never claiming anything that you can't legitimately do or have done for a start; it seems this is a bit of a problem with a lot of asian/african contractors; who are perhaps encouraged by recruitment consultans to put everything they might have touched, or even seen a website about once down as a 'skill'.
It took me ages to get an IT job - I'd tried in Essex for a while, then really tried in Reading and still nothing. Went for a retail job for 9 months or so until I got really annoyed with it, though in the mean time got made up to a supervisor and worked as the store manager in his abcense for a while. Getting really annoyed by it I was in the right place at the right time to get a decent job in IT, which I managed.
If you can't find anything else, there are almost always jobs in Retail available; it was a coffee shop for me, which seems to offer a good opportunity for promotion due to their relatively small size. You will however have to be very economical with the truth and make it clear you're looking to go into retail and move up through that (but not too fast) if going for this sort of job. |
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My Dad used to get the managers to do the interviews but they'd get the candidates to turn up about 20 minutes early.
My Dad would be sat outside reception in an oily boilersuit "waiting to get some paperwork filled in." and have a news with them.
They didn't realise that by the time they went in for the interview, they'd already had it. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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I've just come from an interview today, and I didn't lie once. I figure I've been in the game long enough; if a company can't handle who I am then I don't want to work there - I've had my share of pretending to be something I'm not just to fit the corporate mold. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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| stinkwheel wrote: | My Dad used to get the managers to do the interviews but they'd get the candidates to turn up about 20 minutes early.
My Dad would be sat outside reception in an oily boilersuit "waiting to get some paperwork filled in." and have a news with them.
They didn't realise that by the time they went in for the interview, they'd already had it. |
Aye, I've heard this from my Dad aswell. He does it and has had it done to him. Always beware the attractive women in reception apparently.
But even if you did clock it, your options are limited;
1) Keep stum and come off cold.
2) Lie through your teeth with the same saccharine bullshite you'll be peddling in the interview and at best put yourself at no disadvantage, at worst still skupper yourself.
3) Be honest to an extent, but stop short of full on candour (I just desperately need a job etc).
Still. Major ballache.
And yeh G I know the unfortunate reality of everyone else embellishing it. Like Fawbish says, get your foot in the door then let them find out once you're in there.
It just seems very alien to me. I just don't really bullshit.
And as such, I'm at risk of selling myself short compared to the brainless numpties willing to state they can build an atom bomb 'cos they've read anarchists cookbook' . ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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"The perfect interview" - Max Ernst
Good, very good book on handling the whole process. When I was doing interviews, I was ready for anything they could throw at me. You have to engineer it, make it work for you... and when they ask if you have any questions, put the cunts on the spot, let them know how it feels. Didn't get me a job, though
The work I do now is all based on practical skills, they couldn't give a fuck about all the bullshit, it's brilliant. Like you bonny, I was in an environment where it was pure bullshit... I hated it. Maybe you should think about manual work. It's what all the decent people do, there is more common sense, more honesty and more fun. ____________________ BCF's 6th favourite poster 2009-2010
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There's nowt wrong with a career change like, but if he went down the manual route now, he would kinda negate 4 years of uni and a lot of debt, and render 9the study at least) kinda pointless.
Though, if his sector is already heavily saturated, and it gets to the point its fucking with your head, a fresh change, a new start might help with that Bonny. You're certainly not a stupid fuck, and picking up new skills will probably be easy for you. Anyways, for the first few years, what you learned at uni probably wont even come into it. Later on maybe, but not when youre starting to climb the ladder, so to speak.
As Harold suggested, starting to think about at least, what markets will be valuable in the near future, and steering your way towards good fortune might have to become a possibility, if following what you want to do doesnt work out. ____________________ "Oh....it looks like Average Joe's is forfeiting the match!" - "Yeah, its a risky strategy but lets see if it pays off for 'em Cotton." |
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He wouldn't be the first to have a have decent degree and do nothing with it, I fail to see where the major worry comes in. I would like to think Bonny would be the first to say university is about the lifestyle/experience as much as any paper you bring out of it with you.
| Quote: | The work I do now is all based on practical skills, they couldn't give a fuck about all the bullshit, it's brilliant. Like you bonny, I was in an environment where it was pure bullshit... I hated it. Maybe you should think about manual work. It's what all the decent people do, there is more common sense, more honesty and more fun. |
A jolly good point. I've never worked in the bullshit side of things so I can't comment particularly, but all the politics has never interested me. I've never had an interview (discounting forces for a second, which was pretty heavy at the time) where anyone was trying to catch you out, or listen to your bullshit. It's always been: "this is what we do, this is how, and this is what we expect, are you up for it?".
There is no faking it with manual work, its honest, the hard workers prosper and the bullshitters are quickly spotted and usually extracted, because they are a waste of space and bad for business. Thusly in a small focused company, you should end up working with like minded people who all pull their weight.
The only downside is being looked upon/talked to as a lower form of life by some, but unless you really care what people think, it's water off a ducks back.
Not sure what you are applying for, but if you just need money, there is plenty out there that doesn't involve working behind a bar, or in a hotel/restaurant, and working outdoors or in something physical will save you wasting your own time at the gym. ____________________ So in other words, he stopped you for being flagrantly in posession of a motorcycle in direct contravention of the Hippies, Darkies and People Whose Face I Don't Like The Look of (Police Powers) Act. 1976 |
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Not sure what you are applying for, but if you just need money, there is plenty out there that doesn't involve working behind a bar, or in a hotel/restaurant, and working outdoors or in something physical will save you wasting your own time at the gym. |
Aye and would do merrily. I work (very) occasionally for a company bending wire around ferrite cores, and if there were enough demand for this one type I do I would gladly do that 24/7. Especially as it works out about 10-15 quid an hour.
But then I loathed trimming central reservations, particularly due to the machines which are built for <6foot people.
Anyhew, the labour doesn't bother me. What annoys me is spending all day with Sun readers. I just can't take it, my head actually starts to hurt and I spend all day either making enemies or staying very quiet. It's as bad as watching deal or no deal, put it that way.
Which is why I'd rather spend a month in something intelligent if possible. ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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Sounds like an office is the best place for you. You'd get eaten alive at my place
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Aye, not so good. Bah, straddling two worlds sucks. ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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It's all well and good being fucked off with having to be around Sun readers and Mail believers all day long, but just as it is with everything...are you man enough to just deal with it?
It's hard being pretty intellectual and hanging around with nonces all day, and by no means am I saying you have to conform for an easy life, cos that's bullshit.
It's just as much a test of us as a person to have to work with people that don't stimulate us, and would be the same, if not better as the paint on the wall.
If you can deal with the stress of monotony, then write a book, because I'll bet, no matter how many people say they can handle it no problems (still talking about those "intellectual" types that require a higher stimulus) monotony is the thinking mans greatest enemy.
And it fucking sucks.
Sooner or later, everything becomes a fucking monotonous drivel of shit. ____________________ "Oh....it looks like Average Joe's is forfeiting the match!" - "Yeah, its a risky strategy but lets see if it pays off for 'em Cotton." |
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Sooner or later, everything becomes a fucking monotonous drivel of shit. |
Ah.Fucking.Men
It's not impossible, and if offered I would take it as a stop-gap. But it's hard to write on your C.V. 'big strong bastard who enjoys lugging things around', so until they see me at interview all they see is 'graduate in a recession... he'll be fucking off soon'.
It's irksome to keep applying for shit jobs, but its even worse to be desperately trying to get shit jobs. Only job I knew I could get but turned down (bare in mind I'm not exactly going to starve/lose a home without incoming funds) was working as a trolley attendant for supermarkets. Entirely on the basis that I used to have to do it when I was at tesco for the odd half hour, and by god I've never wanted to get back to stacking shelves so much in my life. I'd end up topping myself.
That's it. Everything else if I could get it I'd go for. Working with retards or no.Oh and unfortunately you always end up blending in, your mind dulls and you have to fit in to survive. I hate it passionately, but I end up adapting. It's why I want out of Stevenage. You should hear what passes for 'deep' conversation down my local  ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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Sometimes I envy them, and sometimes I feel sorry for them.
And it sounds really high and mighty, and I hate being elitist, I really do, because I'm a genuinely nice person.
But when someone talks to you, and they know fuck all about anything, theyre vindictive, they speak like shit, they bullshit around the clock and they think they're better than you because I swear, some people must think I'm a fucking retard if they think I actually believe half of what they say.
I know Im intellectually superior than a lot of people, in and out of my workplace. And that isnt me being a knob, thats fucking fact.
Hell, I know there are tons of people who are massively more intellectual/intelligent than I am.
But sometimes, I do regret having the intelligence to percieve what others seem not to. Or if they do, they don't word it, or speak of it.
I'm not the only one that feels like this, I hope. Otherwise I'm about to branded teh supah elitEST cuntswab.  ____________________ "Oh....it looks like Average Joe's is forfeiting the match!" - "Yeah, its a risky strategy but lets see if it pays off for 'em Cotton." |
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Lol, that is always funny.
But ya see, in a room for of bright people I tend to watch my language abit, curb my enthusiasm and chat shop well.
Put me in a room of idiots and out come the head butting competitions
Hence the two worlds comment. I seek out the retards, for a giggle now and again (all my drinking buddies at uni for a start). But to work? Forced to see them day to day to day to... no thanks.
Pop your head in, talk about ass to mouth or the tits on Gemma Atkinson and then leave.
In stevenage though I only have one guy down the local I enjoy seeing. He's 50 odd, recently seperated, intelligent enough to have an opinion and also to say he doesn't know (something I like in a person), yet will drink himself silly and get in head butting competitions until 5 in the mornign with me Juxtaposition is tops
Like I say, it isn't all about acting like you have a silver spoon up your arse and only talking about particle physics. It's just sometimes one needs to.
Never forget in Kos, I'd had 3 weeks of dealing with absolute morons (and as a job having to talk idiot to punters to get them in) and it was turning me retarded. Then I found a brummie guy who was a good laugh, and then we dropped into a conversation about digital physics and such... So absolutely refreshing you wouldn't know. ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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