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| LeeR |
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 LeeR World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 20:25 - 31 Oct 2008 Post subject: More SHARP ratings released |
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More SHARP ratings have been released for AGV, Buell, Bell, Caberg, Duchinni, KBC, Lazer, Marushin, ROOF, Schuberth and Viper branded helmets, amazingly the Schuberth S1 got two stars, two!  ____________________ My claim to fame: Austin Vince nicked my pen... |
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ive got a box bx2 lid. 4 stars  ____________________ Yamaha Tdm850
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 chris-red Have you considered a TDM?

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There rating is bollocks as part of what they do is drive a big nail through the top of the helmet, most helmets aren't as strong on top to save weight as you aren't likely to land on the top of head after a smash.
Or at least thats what the Arai sales man told me  ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything. |
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I like the idea of the sharp testing but until they release their methodology and scoring breakdown there will be too many unanswered questions. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
past: hyosung gt250r, bajaj pulsar 180, hyosung gt 125 comet
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Have you asked for them? Sitting on a .gov.uk domain suggests that a well aimed foi request (assuming that a swift email doesn't work) should get that which you seek. I should imagine that'll get you the scoring details as well. I would imagine that they've taken a desicion to only go so technical on their public facing pages.
Whilst I'm all for not taking figures at face value, what will having the exact methodologies change? Even with published methodology (lord, how I hate that word!), you've still no way of knowing that each test was carried out in accordance with it. At some point you're going have to decide whether you trust the organisation carrying out the tests, and I'm curious as to why you're setting the bar so high in this instance. (I assume, of course, that you're happy with some rating systems but not this one, specifically. If that's not the case then I apologise).
Granted, the DfT is involved, which could go either way, but on the same token, running accurate benchmarking is in their best interests and unless there's evidence that a cartel of helmet manufacturers is on first name terms with the illuminati, I'd be inclined to suggest that the DfT involvment is a good thing. |
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No, I've not asked for them, I'd not really thought to - I'll give it a go.
I'm not really setting the bar high, I want the same level of transparency as the euroncap. The reason i would like the full methodology is that it's standard scientific practice. While I personally am unlikely to repeat the experiment, helmet manufacturers are. This will ensure they don't make 'mistakes'. I do agree that DfT involvement is a good thing in this case.
As a bit of a geek i always like to know how any conclusion is reached, euroncap make it fairly obvious, sharp don't.
All this said, I will probably use them as reference for my next helmet purchase. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
past: hyosung gt250r, bajaj pulsar 180, hyosung gt 125 comet
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I asked them what the tests meant, and how one could evaluate the results against existing standards.
For instance does a 1 star helmet meet the DOT standard, at what star rating does a helmet reach ACU compliance, does 5 star mean it meets Snell?
I assume they all meet the ECE standard in the first instance otherwise they wouldn't be for sale in the UK.
I didn't get an answer... yet.
I think the only people who really came out as expected are AGV with the S-4. People thought it was a "good" helmet, and sure enough it got 5 stars but the rest, who knows...?  ____________________ My claim to fame: Austin Vince nicked my pen... |
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My caberg is 5 star and I still wouldnt want to crash in it.
So many people are bothered about helmet ratings, If you hit something head on at anything over say 40mph, chances are your going to get mushed anyway.
Cheers
John ____________________ own: 81 xs1100g...
owned: 85 rat CG (sold), 91 GS500e (stolen), 84 gsx400f (scrapped), 81 z250 (siezed, siezed, scrapped), 83 cb250rs (sold), 84 gpz750r ratfighter (killed) 84gpz400 (sold), '80 cb650 ratfighter (wrote off) 95gsx6/12f ratfighter (killed) 91 xj900 (sold)
stinkwheel Well I just had my hands up a pigs fanny. Which makes your concerns pale into insignificance. |
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Such a jolly perspective for one so young, but yeah I agree the helmet is only benefical to a point.
Which kind of brings us back to the question, how does the SHARP rating system benefit us, if at all? ____________________ My claim to fame: Austin Vince nicked my pen... |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 297 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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