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CaNsA
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 11 Dec 2008    Post subject: Fkin brakes seized Reply with quote

new front pads on the CLR125 2 days ago, all good yesterday, today they started to lock up while doin 55 in traffic on a dual carriage way.

pulled over, left them to cool got home with no front brakes.

Need to use the bike in 12hrs time. can i sort this? cant get hold of the mechanic who fitted the pads.

cheers

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PostPosted: 22:16 - 11 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not good, i'd try and make other arrangements rather than use it. Its certainly a part you don't want to fail as its critical.

Maybe people who know more about brakes can offer advise on fixing it though.

I'd prob be quite annoying with the mechanic/garage as well as that is clearly dangerous.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 11 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am stunned no one commented, umm suspicious
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 11 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes you can sort this IIRC correctly the CLR125 is a twin pot sliding front caliper....

I think I know what has happened though , in that the person who fir them did not clean the pistons up before fitting the new pads.....


you need:

A length of plastic tubing (to bleed the brakes)...

some brake fluid

I reckon a 12 spanner,

8 spanner for the bleed nipple

and a set of allen keys ,

Undo pad pin , and plug,

undo the caliper off the fork,

then pump the brake, the pistons should come out, try to get them to come out at the same rate so you can get your thumb in and pull the other one out..

Clean it up , wash it let it dry and use a plastic ruler to clear up any jagged bits on the piston, get some bog roll, and wipe the inside of the piston cylinder (take the seal out for best results and clean that) , try not to get any bog roll stuck in there.

pop it back in both pistons Sickpup recommends you put some brake fluid in the cylinders before hand, then bleed the brakes...

2 hour job ... don't get brake fluid in your eye though make you blind....


if you were closer I'd pop round to fix it , but I'm not so you'll have to have a crack yourself..


The alternative is to ride it carefully , with masses of front obs as you won't be able to stop quickly .... but you risk warping your front disc (an expensive part) , and use your gears to slow down.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 12 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got those seals in stock if you need them, £9.95 delivered.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 12 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to be a common problem with CLR's, a friend of mine had his brakes seize every time he used them for about 3 months, no matter how many times it was cleaned / new seals put in.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 12 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:41 - 12 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had the same thing with my bike last week. New pads and discs means the pistons are pushed further into the calipers than normal, so the cru that has built up on them gets pushed into the caliper and makes them stick.

Mine weren't too bad, they wre just dragging a bit.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 12 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got the train to work today cos i was shattered after moving the new bikes into the house. Phone the bike shop and said that the front brake seized up.
He said
"yeah, that can happen when u dont bleed them or give them a clean when u put new pads on"
i said
"didnt you do that when u fitted my pads then?"
he said
"ill send some-one round 2morrow morning @ 10:30 to sort it out"
LOL
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 13 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the problem is yourself and what you actually asked to have done.

I've found with any mechanic you have to state EXACTLY what you want doing because fitting new pads doesnt necceserily means changing the seals, fluid or even cleaning the caliper.

So if you simply asked for new brake pads then thats why,.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 13 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalforever wrote:
i think the problem is yourself and what you actually asked to have done.

I've found with any mechanic you have to state EXACTLY what you want doing because fitting new pads doesnt necceserily means changing the seals, fluid or even cleaning the caliper.

So if you simply asked for new brake pads then thats why,.


brake pad change and a complete brake caliper rebuild are not the same. its not free you know...
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 13 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i think the problem is yourself and what you actually asked to have done.

I've found with any mechanic you have to state EXACTLY what you want doing because fitting new pads doesnt necceserily means changing the seals, fluid or even cleaning the caliper.

So if you simply asked for new brake pads then thats why,.


All the more reason why there's only a select few who'd I trust I work on my bikes, the rest I'd quite happily do myself assured in the fact that the job's been done properly.

If you have to stipulate exactly what you want each and every time, you'd be there forever: "Can you change my brake pads, oh and remember to tighten the caliper bolts after you've finished..."

I'd atleast expect a half-competent mechanic to recomend that the fluid needs changing or the caliper workings require/required a clean service, especially before letting a bike be collected with the miminal amount of work carried out.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 13 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:

All the more reason why there's only a select few who'd I trust I work on my bikes, the rest I'd quite happily do myself assured in the fact that the job's been done properly.

If you have to stipulate exactly what you want each and every time, you'd be there forever: "Can you change my brake pads, oh and remember to tighten the caliper bolts after you've finished..."

I'd atleast expect a half-competent mechanic to recomend that the fluid needs changing or the caliper workings require/required a clean service, especially before letting a bike be collected with the miminal amount of work carried out.



I don't think you understand the problem fully. I agree the shop should have advised him as to the need of a rebuild but they shouldn't have done the work.

Cansa has asked for a pad change but needs a caliper rebuild. Pad change costs £10 in labour.

If the shop do a caliper rebuild Cansa will be looking at £10 for seals, hour in labour so anywhere from £35-£45+ vat and a bottle of brake fluid at £3.50. So would add a minimum of £54.63 to the bill, I think Cansa would have complained about that.

Shop gets slagged off regardless of what they do really. I know, I've been there as the shop.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 13 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree the shop should have advised him as to the need of a rebuild but they shouldn't have done the work.


That's what I meant. Then it wouldn't have been a surprise that the brakes seized so soon afterwards.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 13 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

It is the pistons that are sticking, or (being a sliding caliper) is it the pins the caliper slides on. Sticking on the pins seem to be more common.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:24 - 14 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalforever wrote:
i think the problem is yourself and what you actually asked to have done.

I've found with any mechanic you have to state EXACTLY what you want doing because fitting new pads doesnt necceserily means changing the seals, fluid or even cleaning the caliper.

So if you simply asked for new brake pads then thats why,.


I would rather be able to simply ask for new brake pads and have it done properly than pre-state exactly what I want doing, especially if it's something I am not knowledgeable about. If I'm taking my bike to a garage for new pads, it's reasonable to assume I don't know how to change them. The way I would expect the conversation to go is thus:

"Hello could you fit some new brake pads for me?"
"Certainly sir. We will also need to change the seals and clean the caliper for you, otherwise your brakes will seize after."
"How much is that then?"
"50 quid"
"OK I'll pick it up in an hour"

I get my bike back with new pads, clean calipers and fresh seals and most importantly SAFE BRAKES.

The garage doesn't get me phoning them back in an extreme huff about my freshly redone pads seizing.

Common sense. They are the experts, my money pays for their expertise to be applied to my bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 15 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is one other thing that no-one seems to check these days that is the principal cause of seized brakes and that is the grooves behind the seals. Brake fluid crystallises behind the seals and this clamps the pistons tighter in the seals. It is rare that seals actually need replacing, certainly the main seals anyway, normally a strip down and clean of the grooves will stop brakes binding.

Cheers

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