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PostPosted: 17:09 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Bandit with 750 engine Reply with quote
https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180318667429&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123

I'm interested in this, the guy said he would go down to 900, with that much tax and test it seems like a fair deal.

Does anyone know of any problems doing a transplant like this?

Is the gsxr 750l engine the one that people take out to put 1100 ones into the frame?

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PostPosted: 17:27 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

The 750 oil cooled engine is an easy swap into a 600 Bandit (the 600 Bandit engine is just a sleeved down oil cooled GSXR750 engine, can even use the same big bore kits).

It is also possible to fit the 1200 engine, but that is a bit more hassle as the mounting bolts are a different size (but in the same places).

People put the 1100 engine into pretty much all the oil cooled GSXR750 frames (including the L).

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PostPosted: 18:01 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not going to comment on the engine stuff as it would all be bollocks as I don't have a clue.

Looks nice, would look awesome if you took the front fairing off and put some flat bars on it. I can imagine that zaust sounds nice and I really like the positioning of it.

For £900 looks like a steal.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would offer him 800 so you've got enough left over to get it rejetted and dyno'd etc. Still, it looks sweet Razz.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Abroad you could actually buy Bandit 750s; some even made it onto our shores as imports complete with km speedos.

I personally wouldn't buy a project bike like that however easy the transplant is. Don't fancy a Bandit 12 anymore then?
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
BLUEX5 wrote:
Still think for simillar cash you could buy a "real" GSXR750 oil boiler which has the correct size carbs to suit the engine, an lighter and stiffer aluminium frame, weighs less and probably does most things better than a Bandit lashed up for the fun of it.


My housmate has a bandit with a 750k engine in it, took him ages to get it set up running right, previous owner didn't even know what carbs were on it.

He had it out today, actually. Sounded like a flu-ridden bag of shit, bless it!!!

*edit* oh don't forget insurance - he had a load of places refuse to insure outright when he was truthful about the engine change!! Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Insurance might be an issue though...
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
why not just get a gsx750f ? its just a faired bandit
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
colin1 wrote:
why not just get a gsx750f ? its just a faired bandit


it's not a faired bandit at all, very little apart from the engine in common with the bandits..

if they are B12 carbs on it and they need jetting expect to pay between 140 and 200 for dyno time (if you're in Birmingham or local go and see Craig at Dynotorque, best guy for miles) don't start messing about with DJ kits unless you have a pretty good idea of what you're doing, so allowing for that need i'd be inclined to agree with the previous poster of offering him 800 to leave you enough to get the carbs setup


insurance is easy to get for it, Ebike for one will/should cover you just click the modifications in the drop down boxes
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
NiteMare wrote:
colin1 wrote:
why not just get a gsx750f ? its just a faired bandit


it's not a faired bandit at all, very little apart from the engine in common with the bandits..


no, bandits dont normally come with a 750 engine

the gsx600f does have the same engine as the bandit though
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it's not a faired bandit at all, very little apart from the engine in common with the bandits..


no, bandits dont normally come with a 750 engine

the gsx600f does have the same engine as the bandit though


and 33mm carbs rather than 32mm for another difference

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me quote came out wierd
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
As above they do make a Bandit750 I know someone who has one.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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and 33mm carbs rather than 32mm for another difference


ok slight differences like 33 mm rather than 32 mm carbs

but you are splitting hairs a bit

basically, a 600 bandit is very similar to a gsx600f

so someone thinking about getting a bodged bandit 600 to 750 conversion, should consider a gsx750f, as it was made to work that way in the first place and isnt a bodge job that may or may not work properly

arugably, a detuned 750 is more useable on the road than a tuned 600, maybe not quite as fun if you like revving a bike
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Geri wrote:
As above they do make a Bandit750 I know someone who has one.


yeah they were available in japan
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
colin1 wrote:
arugably, a detuned 750 is more useable on the road than a tuned 600, maybe not quite as fun if you like revving a bike


The 600 and 750 engines are basically the same. The 600 teapot engine was just a sleeved down GSXR750. The Teapot engine then had a few changes for use in the Bandit. Although basically you can swap loads of bits between them (eg, you could put the 750 barrels, pistons and head onto a 600 Bandit).

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PostPosted: 22:33 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
colin1 wrote:
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and 33mm carbs rather than 32mm for another difference


ok slight differences like 33 mm rather than 32 mm carbs

but you are splitting hairs a bit

basically, a 600 bandit is very similar to a gsx600f

so someone thinking about getting a bodged bandit 600 to 750 conversion, should consider a gsx750f, as it was made to work that way in the first place and isnt a bodge job that may or may not work properly

arugably, a detuned 750 is more useable on the road than a tuned 600, maybe not quite as fun if you like revving a bike


i could probably split quite a lot of hairs if i knew more about the oil cooled engines ...

there was two variations of the 750 engine in the gsxr, 748cc and 749cc (749cc was long stroke), to the best of my knowledge both engines redline was 13.5k rpm, the original 749 was in the slabby and used 29mm flatslide carbs, then when the slingshot came out it got the 748cc short stroke engine for a couple of years with CV's, then for some reason suzuki went back to the 749cc engine again with CV carbs, i think all the slingshot 750s had a cable operated clutch whereas the slabby had a hydraulic one ...

slingshot clutch (not sure if all) was operated thru the clutch cover and slabby was operated thru the sprocket cover....

early teapot (gsxf) 600 redlined at 11.5k rpm which obviously means it's limiter was set lower than the gsxr (dunno about the later teapot)....

there's obviously quite a lot to research/learn when looking at the old oil boilers, even the wheels can "look" the same but you can find subtle differences
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
NiteMare wrote:

there's obviously quite a lot to research/learn when looking at the old oil boilers, even the wheels can "look" the same but you can find subtle differences


differences being largely irrelevant by the sounds of things

subtle differences
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 06 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kris wrote:

I personally wouldn't buy a project bike like that however easy the transplant is. Don't fancy a Bandit 12 anymore then?


I still fancy a bandit 12, but they are pretty expensive for what they are really, more than I can justify spending on a bike when I just spent a whack on car stuff.

Insurance is too much of an issue, I called up lots of people earlier, and they said no, or 'if you were older'

Seller seems like a sound bloke though.

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PostPosted: 00:13 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok BlueX5, looks like you know your stuff on the oil boilers Wink

i've only been playing with them for the last two years or so, bought myself a shitbag slabby 750 and junked almost all of it after joining OSS and a couple of other oil cooled forums and learning as much as i could...

decided to build it as a 7/11 due to the engine pissing oil from one of the drain pipes on the front of the head....

by the time i'd finished all i had left of the original bike was the frame, tank, bottom yoke, mudguard, forks and the sprocket cover with slave along with the oil cooler...

i put the 11 swingarm in, later three spoke wheels (teapot one in the front i think) gk76 calipers up front with 1100 slabby discs and a GSX1100f motor, 1100m or n downpipes with aftermarket link pipes and a pair of stubby cans, it came supplied with an after market top yoke and renthalls...

to finish it all off i built my own harness from scratch along with subframe which i dropped a mille seat on....

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PostPosted: 02:43 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Geri wrote:
As above they do make a Bandit750 I know someone who has one.


Me too, I'm fairly sur it is a UK bike too. It is not called a bandit (well doesn't have it written on it) it is a GSF750 it's a 1998 I think.

Edit- Scratch that, maybe it wasn't a bandit. It is a 750 Suzuki from mid to late 90's it is a naked bike with twinshocks. I'm sure some clever bunny will come back and tell me what it is.

Edit2- GSX750 apparantly,

https://ac.gurkhas.de/stuff/GSX750.jpg
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PostPosted: 02:56 - 07 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
Geri wrote:
As above they do make a Bandit750 I know someone who has one.


Me too, I'm fairly sur it is a UK bike too. It is not called a bandit (well doesn't have it written on it) it is a GSF750 it's a 1998 I think.


Chris-red, i'm guessing here slightly, but i think you're looking at the wrong bike...

i think the bike you mate/acquaintance may have will be the 750 Inazuma

picture for you to compare it to

https://www.moto-station.com/uploads/126_normal.jpg
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Yep that would be it, he bought it for £1300 mint condition 8000 miles on the clock Shocked
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The Inazuma is actually brilliant bike Seems to pull pretty well and its incrdibly comfortable excluding the wind bashing your face about

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