service at dealership - very annoyed

[adamcpi50sx08]

i bought my CPI SX50 in november brand new from a local dealership, it went for its 600 mile service and came back with the flywheel cover hanging off with two bolts missing (according to the mechanic they must have rattled out but nothing at all has rattled out for those 600 miles until they touched it, he put ATF gearbox oil (automatic transmission fluid) in a manual 6 speed box and according to him thats what the factory says they should run, i dont care what the factory says its common sense you dont put automatic gearbox oil in a manual gearbox (you would put diesel engine oil in a petrol car would you) and now it jumps out of gear randomly and misses the gear and hits neutral sometimes aswell, also i dont think the plug was changed either, i will be changing my gearbox oil tomorow with some castrol MANUAL gearbox oil from the garage i work at (with mechanics who acctually know things instead of doing everything out of a book) and anytime my bike goes to that garage (its under warranty there) i will be watching them very closely, so i say if you gotta take your bike to a garage u aint that familiar with watch what they take off and how its put back on and check that baby before you go because these guys aint touching my bike again unless they need to for warranty purposes

does anyone know what running the wrong gearbox oil could potentially do to the gearbox or if it can damage anything
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[RS2MATRIX]

whats wrong with atf?
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[adamcpi50sx08]

its a manual gearbox so why should it need automatic transmission fluid, it needs proper motorbike manual gearbox oil not the water thin crap they put in mopeds etc
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Have you checked what it's supposed to have?
I presume it's a 2stroke, which often take different oil as it is just a gearbox rather than the whole engine.

[stinkwheel]

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[Kickstart]

Hi

ATF is specified for the gearbox in some 2 stroke engines. I have no info on the CPI, but might be tempted to double check with the importers, but don't find it that unlikely.

As to using diesel oil in petrol car, yes people do it. Diesel oils tend to have higher levels of detergent and so are sometimes used for a while to flush through petrol engines.

If you use the wrong oil then yes you could do damage. And that applies just as much if you go and use gearbox oil in a box designed for AFT. Even using gearbox oil of the right viscosity but the wrong type in a car can cause major problems (eg, using a GL5 gearbox oil on a gearbox will brass synchro rings will trash the synchromesh, they need the older GL1 non EP oils).

All the best

Keith
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[iooi]

Perhaps try contacting CPI Importers and ask them......

At least then if it is the guy at the shop thats wrong they can sort it out and get your engine fixed....
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[adamcpi50sx08]

[tafflade]

ok, you've satisfied me that being 16 you do know everything

[lonner]

[adamcpi50sx08]

whats being 16 got to do with anything
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[lukamon]

he IS!
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[stinkwheel]

If only I knew now, what I knew then.
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[faddius]

Deal with it, if you crash because the gear box blows up - theyre liable.

If the gearbox blows up and you dont crash and die horribly - you get a new bike.

And the gearbox can jump for alot of other reasons too.

Damn 16 year olds
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To be fair to the original poster; the gearbox was obviously not working after the garage changed the oil, so we can presume they did something wrong.
It's reasonable to assume that it was a problem with the oil from his experiences - however, as mentioned, I'd go and check to see what it should be, before hassling them.

Trying to make warranty claims can be pretty nasty and often result in you still with a broken bike, but also with a load of wasted time and money trying to get them to sort it.

[adamcpi50sx08]

wel why didnt you talk like that in the first place taff instead of trying to take the mick, i have been and told the head mechanic that the oil has been changed and it seems okay now and he told me not to worry because the bike is covered on warranty and if i have any more problems gearbox or not dont hesitate to take it striaght back, i am happy with this kind of service but not where your are telling them something that sounds wrong and they just look at your and nod there head and then tell you that he thought it was the wrong oil but he put it in anyway and then telling me that i would have to pay for a gearbox oil change even though it was the wrong oil that they put in
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