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Makes you wonder how this works... There's far too many variables that would affect the length of a skidmark. The tyre itself. Grippy sports tyre, or hard tourer. Tyre pressure. Load/luggage on the bike / car. How fast you were going when the wheel locked. How fast you were going when you unlocked the wheel. Etc.  ____________________
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They can still estimate the speed, which is good enough for the courts I guess. ____________________ My Flickr |
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| Quote: | Using the final position of vehicles together with any tyre skid, scuff and scratch marks it may be possible, using formulas, to assess the pre impact speeds of those vehicles involved in the collision. However before these calculations can reliably be applied to tyre and scuff marks the coefficient of friction between the two surfaces, tyre and road surface for example, needs to be established. With tyre skid marks this is commonly investigated with a 'Skidman' accelerometer device. Under best evidence practice it should be the vehicle that made the marks which is used during the skid testing. It will be appreciated that this will not always be possible due to damage sustained by that vehicle or the fact it is no longer at the scene! The laws of friction govern the results of skidding vehicles.
With most cars it makes little difference how wide a tyre is in relation to the degree of grip available. Consequently there is little difference in the ability to stop from one car tyre to another - in the dry. Some specialist motorcycle tyres have an improved capability and commercial tyres, those on goods and passenger vehicles, can return lower frictional values than cars under some circumstances.
Where the road surface is wet the overriding factor, in the ability to stop, is the depth of tread and the ability of the tread pattern to clear water away from the road tyre contact area. To achieve grip, in the wet, there must not be so much as a drop of water between the tyre and road surface. In circumstances where there is a greater depth of water than the depth of tread the possibility exists that a phenomenon sometimes referred to as 'aquaplaning' may occur.
It is a misunderstanding that the black marks associated with skidded tyres are created solely from tyre rubber. When a tyre is 'locked' against the road surface and sliding the heat build up between the tyre and bitumen surface draws the bitumen to the road surface leaving the skid mark. On concrete surfaces tyre skid marks are less well defined and are of course entirely from tyre rubber and a form a type of 'cleaning' of the concrete surface.
The length of a tyre skid mark is proportional to the square of the vehicle's speed. Careful examination of the marks may reveal small scratches prior to the start of any black skid marks. These scratches will have been created by tiny debris on the road, or loosened chipping's and will have been created before the tyre has started to skid, but is none the less under heavy braking. Additionally examination of the end of the skid mark needs careful consideration. Definite square ended skid marks tend to indicate a tyre has skidded to a stop. Whereas a fading out of the skid mark may indicate the driver has released the brakes before braking to a stop further away. The Laws of Friction govern skidding vehicles . It is not possible to steer a skidding vehicle. A deviation in a skidded mark maybe attributable to:
* Camber of the road
* Change in road surface
* Surface defect
* Effect of side wind
* A braking defect
* Tyre defect
* Parts of the vehicle contacting the road surface or
* possibly that the steered wheels are not skidding and can steer the vehicle. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 283 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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