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Yarri
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Bike vs Car insurance Reply with quote

Why? Why can i get insured on supersport bike which can do 0-60 in around 3.5sec for 450quid at 19 with a claim and some points. But when it comes to the cages even a peougeot 106 with 1.2littre engine i can't find anything lower then 1500 TPO... ?

Do i look in the wrong places ?
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

More young kids crash cars than crash bikes.

Therefore the insurers pay out more to young drivers than young riders.

It also costs more to fix a car than a bike in the event of a prang. Cars tend to see more use as well.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the same problem, its more to insure my car than my bike.

its cause the amount of damage a supersport will do when you hit a car is alot less than the damage a 1.2l car will do in a shunt.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bell.co.uk/?media=adwo5 im young driver and i use them have been really good so far, cheapest ive been offered for 2 years
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bike is perhaps less likely to cause as much damage as a car?

its £1200 TPFT to insure my £300 car. yet its £300 to insure my £800 bike Confused
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wanna see how much damage can my gixxer do at 150mph to a car, not wise to try it out though
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

LimehouseCBF wrote:
https://www.bell.co.uk/?media=adwo5 im young driver and i use them have been really good so far, cheapest ive been offered for 2 years


Saxo 1.2 £3160.99 TPO duh
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The joys being in my thirties. Cool
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

talking about insurances being weird... I'm 25, no claim/offences etc

£146 for CG125 TPF&T (topped out at 58mph indicated on my CBT... My immense 6'2 frame makes an excellent air brake!)
£101 for CB500 TPF&t (did 95mph indicated without it topping out!)

how does that work?

(£300 for megane 1.6 coupe fully comp comparatively/topically speaking)
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my renewal through the other day, it has gone up £95 despite another years NCB and no claims/no anything. Needless to say, I won't be renewing.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm the other way around, bike is more than the car. The busa cost me about £600 and the car costs £250.

I guess it boils down to any old barry being able to get in a car and plough through a crowded markeptplace and crash with four of his chavvy mates in the back. Big bucks.

A girl at work though, on a different note, has just bought a brand new 1.4 seat ibiza and is paying a little over £800 fully comp. Strange Confused
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 24 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister Drewie wrote:
£146 for CG125 TPF&T (topped out at 58mph indicated on my CBT... My immense 6'2 frame makes an excellent air brake!)
£101 for CB500 TPF&t (did 95mph indicated without it topping out!)

how does that work?


CG is probably more likely to be stolen.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Suspect the main reason is that on a bike you only have 1 passenger at best to wipe out and trigger a large claim. With a car there are 4 potential passengers to be wiped out and generate a massive claim.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:35 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yarri wrote:
i wanna see how much damage can my gixxer do at 150mph to a car, not wise to try it out though


something like this i'd imagine

https://www.emswhiteknightsbc.com/images/image002.jpg

although it wasnt goin that fast when that happend, if you want full speed do a search for taco bell, it aint pretty.....
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PostPosted: 01:23 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably because there's no such thing as a 1.2 Peugeot 106/Citroen Saxo. Wink

In all honesty, I've always struggled for insurance. I think I paid over a grand to insure a 1.0 Peugeot 106 when I was 17. It's just the way it is. Insurance in this country (even worse in Northern Ireland) is basically a tax on young drivers. How on earth a 75 year old driver who can get insured for about 100 quid a year is less of a risk than an 18 year old is beyond me. I've done plenty of miles and can honestly say that older drivers have been more of an accident risk to me personally.

As driving costs as much as it does in the way of road tax/fuel duty I think insurance should be regulated.
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PostPosted: 01:53 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:
Probably because there's no such thing as a 1.2 Peugeot 106/Citroen Saxo. Wink

In all honesty, I've always struggled for insurance. I think I paid over a grand to insure a 1.0 Peugeot 106 when I was 17. It's just the way it is. Insurance in this country (even worse in Northern Ireland) is basically a tax on young drivers. How on earth a 75 year old driver who can get insured for about 100 quid a year is less of a risk than an 18 year old is beyond me. I've done plenty of miles and can honestly say that older drivers have been more of an accident risk to me personally.

As driving costs as much as it does in the way of road tax/fuel duty I think insurance should be regulated.


Refering to this, back where i am originally from (Eastern Europe) insurance is not compulsary, but car prices are skyhigh. My cousin was lucky to buy 1.4litre 1995 wrecked lada for around £1500 which he pimped out quite a bit, he spent around £6000 on it overall. On other hand in Eastern Europe cars like beemers and mercs are mainly businessman or mafia cars so those go quite high, a shagged old beemer picked up in UK for a grand with a bit of maintaince can go well over $6000 back there, some people make business out of it buying cars in UK and selling it there.

Some time ago when i went there on holiday we made a trip in my mates car which was a Citroen Xaara estate i think? which he bought for 800quid, so when we got there one of the locals offered him $5000 on the spot for it but we had to refuse as we had to pick some stuff up and drive back to UK.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister Drewie wrote:
talking about insurances being weird... I'm 25, no claim/offences etc

£146 for CG125 TPF&T (topped out at 58mph indicated on my CBT... My immense 6'2 frame makes an excellent air brake!)
£101 for CB500 TPF&t (did 95mph indicated without it topping out!)

how does that work?

(£300 for megane 1.6 coupe fully comp comparatively/topically speaking)


Kids buy CG125's and smash the shite out of them.

Older, more experienced and careful riders tend to buy CB500's.

It's all down to statistics.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 25 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Suspect the main reason is that on a bike you only have 1 passenger at best to wipe out and trigger a large claim. With a car there are 4 potential passengers to be wiped out and generate a massive claim.

All the best

Keith


Yup. And equally - as the picture above kind of goes to show - if a car loaded up with 5 people hits a car loaded up with 5 people, then 10 people get injured. If a bike carrying a pillion hits a car even at speed, likelihood is 2/3 people get injured.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im the other wat round actually. I have 4 years bike NCB and 2 years car NCB at 21 with one car claim against me. car ( 52 reg punto) is £480 Fully comp a year with bell and the CBR is much the same, maybe 500 a year with h&r.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm other way round. Fully comp with no claims protection in Mondeo is £220.

Fully comp with no claims on bike is £300. Saying that I do have 2 bikes on the policy. Confused Confused
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cars are more expensive for me... I'm 23, bike insurance is around £500 FC on a 600RR 2007.

Car insurance is around £1200 for an Impreza WRX with Prodrive Kit and a Freelander 2.5 V6 Petrol - both on the same policy full comp.

The Impreza however is my sisters other halves, I've just been driving it a lot as she has nicked my freelander.

I'm considering getting on of those new Fiestas as I dont drive that much, they cost bugger all to insure and run and I'm not that worried about depreciation as I need a fairly new car for work (get paid extra to have a car).

As has been said above, cars tend to break and smash into things in a more spectacular way leaving a bigger mess to clear up, costing much more money.

Also, attitude tends to be different. In a car people feel safer as they are enclosed and tend to take more risks causing more accidents. Bikers tend to have a different attitude to risk which results in less accidents. The issue we have is that when we do have an accident, it tends to hurt more.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 26 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As previously stated, it's all down to statistics and insurance history. For example, you may well pay more insurance for a 1L Nova than you would for a 1.6L Focus. This is because chavs buy and crash Novas, whereas old people and sensible types would buy a focus. Not necessarily the case but if a particular car or bike has a poor insurance record then it will cost more to insure.

That is why a Fireblade is mroe expensive to insure than a Gixxer thou, because the Blade has been around in one form or another since 1992, whereas the Gixxer since 2001.

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