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I happen to be sparking up right now.
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| Hetzer wrote: | The law, telling you what you can and cannot put into your own body. And they have the effrontery to call this a free country? |
Not when it is my tax that is paying to fix people up after abusing their body.
If your go to the NHS and are in need of medical attention and the reason is down to illegal drugs (read untaxed) which have been obviously been taken deliberately then you should pay.
I really don't have a problem with people doing illegal drugs, it is up to them, it is their body. I do think the government interferes with our lives to much, they put rules in place to protect please imaginary majority groups, when at the end of the day they are a small minority. But I don't want to pay for people who at the end of the day will put my taxes up (but at the end of the day I guess taxes will go up no matter what).
If the majority of the population smoked weed then the law is pointless as people are willing to go against the governments risk rating system (which I guess is what the Class A, B, C system really is) then they need not bother with the law and save police time to find some proper criminals.
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If they legalised it and taxed it then I'd be totally fine with it, personally I don't do weed, but like I said I have never been negatively effected by it in any way (except a smelly kitchen after friends smoked it in there).
Only reason for re-classifying I can see is to and try and ward people off from trying it and then becoming a regular, doubt it will stop many people. [/edit]
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| Kickstart wrote: | So if cannabis was totally legal then it would be OK for it to be treated? Seems the logical solution would be to legalise it then  . |
Yeah it would, but it would never happen because the government believe they should meld with what we can and can't do because they have to pick the bill up for it at the end of the day when it goes pair shaped. Although I am sure there could be away of calculating this risk involved with certain actions. If this risk was deemed too high then it would be illegal, if it was low enough it would be legal and taxed so that they covered their own back... meaning at the end of the day if you where wanting to do anything with a reasonably high risk you'd have to be pretty rich. Which is sort of done by insurance in the current situation.
| Kickstart wrote: | True, but if you accept that people can put themselves at risk of harm (eg, drinking, riding bikes or even just deciding to have a kid) then there seems no reason to ban a pretty mild drug. |
Personally I am not to sure if banning weed has a positive effect or a negative effect. On the one hand, it can lead to the use of harsher drugs, I have seen this first hand... but the percentage of this compared to people smoking it and sticking to it is very small, but not quite negligible.
But if it wasn't banned then it could be taxed and side effects payed for by the correct tax.
To be honest the number of people that I know who have smoked weed at least once or on a regular basis would justify it being made legal. I take it from your comments Keith you would have no problems with it being legalised?
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ds55, did you have a bet with somebody on how many times you can insert "at the end of the day" into this thread?
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There's more people in hospitals suffering from DIY related incidents than anything to do with weed. The government don't talk about the harsher, readily available dirty drugs like MDMA and KET. It cheap, strong and prone to make people do odd things, like dance for a long period of time and make loads of friends.
Weed is the LEAST of anyone's worries in terms of drugs, legal, non legal, super strength, mild crap weed. Its pathetic...the number of users getting into a K-hole is on the rise, usually where ever there's a bag of weed someones got some mandy.
The governments so out of touch its un-real. My mum, dad, sisters...me, all smoked at some point. We're fine, for the families that aren't fine, is it a result of drugs? Sometimes...
Some families approach breaking point because the government turn a blind eye to their needs, or just sqeeze them a little more. A government can destroy a family and they don't even have to touch drugs. Anyway, im rambling.
Like drink, teens go off their heads, drinking cheap skanky cider in the gallons.
Teens also experiment a little too much with weed, buckets & drainers for example are giving you more THC levels etc than these scientists can comprehend. lol ____________________ Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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| Kickstart wrote: | | Hetzer wrote: | Oh listen to the scum of the magistrates association. "Oh pwease don't take the offence out of our courts!" The pathetic little jack-booted freaks that they are. Can't wait to stick their noses into other peoples business. |
I do have a tiny bit of sympathy there. Don't agree that it should be reclassified, but if it is being reclassified then it seems really screwey to have a seperate half baked penalty system. And surprised you are happy with the police handing out fixed penalty tickets.
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I'm not happy with any of it, but hearing the magistrates whining about their perception one of their new balls is going to be taken out of play makes me drip contempt. Why should they give a toss? If it comes up in front of them they deal with it. If it doesn't, so what? All about power and ego is what it is. Vile little kapos, all self-important and oh so eager to judge, according to their sick, twisted, narrow little view of reality.
Too many people too eager to stick their noses into other peoples' business. A nation of kapos and block-wardens, courtesy of Zanu Labour, the new fascist regime.
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| ds55 wrote: | Yeah it would, but it would never happen because the government believe they should meld with what we can and can't do because they have to pick the bill up for it at the end of the day when it goes pair shaped. |
That smacks of the only reason being that it is the law, and that is to me pretty much the weakest reason there can be. Law should reflect peoples general wishes, not control those wishes, hence for pretty much everyone the law should be something that they would not break even unknowingly.
| ds55 wrote: | Personally I am not to sure if banning weed has a positive effect or a negative effect. On the one hand, it can lead to the use of harsher drugs, I have seen this first hand... but the percentage of this compared to people smoking it and sticking to it is very small, but not quite negligible. |
Personally think that banning it has next to no positive benefits. Sure a few people do have issues after (ab)using it, but not convinced that most would not have similar issues if they decided to abuse other things (eg, alcohol). There is also the issue of it being regarded as a "gateway drug", but I regard this as being a problem caused by its banning (due to the circles some will meet with to buy their supplies), and legalising it would remove this issue.
| ds55 wrote: | To be honest the number of people that I know who have smoked weed at least once or on a regular basis would justify it being made legal. I take it from your comments Keith you would have no problems with it being legalised? |
No issue at all with it being legalised. Why people want to use drugs to loose control of themselves is a seperate issue.
| Hetzer wrote: | I'm not happy with any of it, but hearing the magistrates whining about their perception one of their new balls is going to be taken out of play makes me drip contempt. Why should they give a toss? |
There is meant to be a legal process, with those doing the investigating being seperate from those who doing the trials. That those who do the investigating can also act as judge, jury and executioner is a very dubious idea (although this is just the last example of this dubious idea). As such they are quite right to give a toss about the destruction of a system which they are part of.
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Surely everyone accepts the damage Cannabis does to memory?
Most regular users I know certainly have short term memory problems.
Does no-one even consider the Government may be trying to stop an increase of future problems in mental health?
No-one likes to be told what not to do. Sometimes though that advice/order can be the best thing.
I have no problem with whatever classification it is in, they downgraded it and it seems problems have increased to the point thats it needs upgraded again.
Lets try to remember the other effects of people smoking cannabis, how many people do you think are driving with their judgement impaired by the use of so-called "harmless recreational drugs" ____________________ Fallen Angel "Nae sniffing my seat now!!!!! "
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It is quite possible that weed can have negative effects on mental health. Especially with individuals that have pre-existing mental issues (just the same as alcohol can amplify these problems).
It IS worth noting however, that weed has shown in some studies to have positive effects on health; such as evidence for slowing the advancement of arthritis and even alzhiemers. And the benefits of using hemp as a textile are well accepted.
As for the whole "it'll put more strain on the NHS" arguement, that's utter bollocks. Not a single person has ever OD'd on weed, even with the super-scary ultra-strength hyper-strains which the government feebly attempts to convince people that exist.
Drugs are a part of life on this Earth. Like it or not, creating a "law" against it and then being done with it is never going to be rid of the problem (short of giving everyone on Earth a frontal labotomy and creating a race of identical drones). Outlawing anything will never prevent it and generally just causes problems for otherwise law-biding respectable citizens as well as puts more strain on the judicial system.
Like all drugs, legalise, regulate, study, research, educate.
I suspect many people are sucked in to the drug culture because of it's 'taboo' reputation.. as some sort of rebellion against a conformist and money driven society. It's probably better that these sort of people are left to ruin their lives via the use of 'illegal' drugs.  ____________________ Yamaha YB100 | Yamaha TZR125 | Yamaha XJ600S | Suzuki GSF600
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The government aren't trying to help any of us. With that simple lesson over it should be pointed out in this topic, the main focus shouldn't be the wobbly facts given to us over the years, its the dealers.
Earning tax free money from selling something which gains you respect/money and power is something government know about in great detail and control it, this is a way of doing it,
Its not conspiricy, it's about getting something out of it, which they are. ____________________ Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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I wouldn't have thought what classification it had would have any effect on how people (young or old) used it. No way is a 15yo going to say "I'd better not, its a class A drug, but if you have anything in class C..."
The Gov are having a 'drive' at the moment about long term mental effects cannabis might have. I rather suspect its a ploy they're using to raise revenue from the on the spot second offence fines and to soften us up in general for other tax rises citing the NHS as a reason.
To be honest, I'm surprised the government hasn't legalised it. Going by the shite peddled on the TV on a weekend evening (which is just novocaine for the brain & soul) to keep the masses anaethsetised, cannabis could do it much more effectively.
There is also a real risk of a violent side effect if to much time is spent viewing Celebrity Family fucking Fortunes with that arse Vernon Kaye. This wouldn't be the case if you were stoned... I think Ginster's should probably lobby the government...
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