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PostPosted: 00:54 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: 2t oil, choices, choices but which one is best? Reply with quote

I've never had a 2 stroke so please be gentle.

I need some engine oil for my new little scooter. Its a Yamaha YW100 (BeeWee or also called a BWS).

They are off road mad here in Oz and I never realised the variety of 2 stroke oils available, so what should I be on the look out for?

I've heard about scented oils too, any good for a bit of something different?
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get a reputable company and no problem.

Any of the big oi; companys - Shell, BP, Esso or the specialists, Silkolene, Castol etc.

You aren't going to go wrong. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

can also get fully synthetic oil and semi synthetic. fully synthetic is more for performance engines like for example a ktm 380. semi sythetic should be fine for you and it's cheaper Thumbs Up also like mentioned any big oil names will be fine.
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

castrol tts fully synth was what i used in the nsr for 20,000 miles, so thats what i would suggest, although castrol do an oil specifically for scooters called castrol scoot-r, which may be the better option if you can get hold of it over there.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also those scented oil things arent worth the extra money to be honest. Once they've been through the engine they all come out the same Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only mentioned it as I read about a TZR powered monkeybike that smelt of strawberries.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha i've never actually used them to be honest but a mate used to put it in his RS and i could never really smell much difference? The smell of burning 2T oil in the morning always used to get my blood rushing Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use the cheapest oil you can find.

All this crap about semi-synthetic and fully synthetic oils, and fancy Castrol Scoot-R, all pointless and unnecessary, expensive crap.

It's a scooter, not a GP bike.
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

any good quality 2t should be fine for it.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As already said, any oil from a good manufacturer will do the job on your scooter.

However, NEVER, EVER let it run out of oil. The consequences of it running out will be an expensive engine repair much sooner than needed.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Use the cheapest oil you can find.

All this crap about semi-synthetic and fully synthetic oils, and fancy Castrol Scoot-R, all pointless and unnecessary, expensive crap.

It's a scooter, not a GP bike.


why would you put the cheapest oil you can find. £5 on some semi synthetic you cheap skate. Oil is a important thing no point in getting cheap crappy stuff.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Use the cheapest oil you can find.

All this crap about semi-synthetic and fully synthetic oils, and fancy Castrol Scoot-R, all pointless and unnecessary, expensive crap.

It's a scooter, not a GP bike.


to be honest he does have a point, and fully sythetic is a bit over the top for a scooter.
if u had ns400 or a rg500 then yes, fully synthetic would be a must.
for a little 100cc scoot, u wil end up chucking more money in oil at it than the engines actualy worth.
but then again you dont want to use the stuff you put in a lawn mower. lol.
cheap semi-synth should be fine matey. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to use full synthetic in the type R and Scooby but I understand that its a bit expensive for the little ped. Semi will probably give me the peace of mind that I'm trying to look after the engine as its been broken in the hard way.

I ask about different types of 2t oil as there appeared to be different weights of oil like 4t and no brands that I recognise.

As a rule of thumb, how much oil does a 2t get through or miles for full to empty?

I'll probably top up the oil reservoir every week or 2 to maintain levels. The dealers did tell me to just top up when the light comes on, reading posts like PeterNSR and his escapades would suggest maybe not.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
its a bit expensive


Have you looked at the price of oil yet? It is very, very cheap, so that won't be a problem.

I still would be sticking the cheap stuff in there tbh, it is just a scoot after all and check the specs on the back of the packs, they will probably be much the same.

4T oild has the ACEA/AE etc specs, would have thought that 2T stuff would be the same Question
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your oil at least everytime you fill up with petrol and top up if required.
I checked my oil every other day at first until I got used to how much oil the bike burned in an average week then I just checked and topped up every week.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
I used to use full synthetic in the type R and Scooby but I understand that its a bit expensive for the little ped. Semi will probably give me the peace of mind that I'm trying to look after the engine as its been broken in the hard way.

I ask about different types of 2t oil as there appeared to be different weights of oil like 4t and no brands that I recognise.

As a rule of thumb, how much oil does a 2t get through or miles for full to empty?

I'll probably top up the oil reservoir every week or 2 to maintain levels. The dealers did tell me to just top up when the light comes on, reading posts like PeterNSR and his escapades would suggest maybe not.


i used to wait for the light to come on, but only because i knew it worked, its a lot of faith to put in one little led, i did however used to check it weekly just to be on the safe side but only filled when the light was on as i knew that meant 1L would fit in nicely and i could leave the empty bottle in halfords car park Laughing

every bikes different so its hard to say how long a full tank would last, but mine was roughly 2-3 weeks or 500 miles on a litre
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbobnob wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
Use the cheapest oil you can find.

All this crap about semi-synthetic and fully synthetic oils, and fancy Castrol Scoot-R, all pointless and unnecessary, expensive crap.

It's a scooter, not a GP bike.


why would you put the cheapest oil you can find. £5 on some semi synthetic you cheap skate. Oil is a important thing no point in getting cheap crappy stuff.


Whatever Rolling Eyes

My dad's scooter (Peugeot Vivacity 100) is still going strong. He's had it from new and covered 16,000km on Carlube £2 a litre oil.

As Veze said, once you start using really expensive oil the minimal amount of engine life that is prolonged from using the more expensive oil, it's just not economical. Plus the chances of Whosthedaddy owning the scooter for long enough that the engine needs a rebuild I can see as very very unlikely. Scooter engines last for absolutely ages, even on cheap oil.

To Whosthedaddy, if you look on the back of a bottle of 2t oil (even if it says on the front for lawnmowers, chainsaw etc) and it says 'Jaso FB' it'll be perfectly fine in your scooter.

Have a look at this.

salty21 wrote:
i used to wait for the light to come on, but only because i knew it worked, its a lot of faith to put in one little led, i did however used to check it weekly just to be on the safe side but only filled when the light was on as i knew that meant 1L would fit in nicely and i could leave the empty bottle in halfords car park Laughing

every bikes different so its hard to say how long a full tank would last, but mine was roughly 2-3 weeks or 500 miles on a litre


Best not to leave until the light comes on on a scooter. Generally, if the light comes on, you've got minimal oil in the tank and you should stop. The oil lights on scooters are a last minute warning.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaso FB is a low grade oil, not really good enough for any modern machine as the oil supplys are turned down so low for euro emission laws... Most 1995 onwards machines need Jaso FC API TC as a minimum...
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheekythomas wrote:
Jaso FB is a low grade oil, not really good enough for any modern machine as the oil supplys are turned down so low for euro emission laws... Most 1995 onwards machines need Jaso FC API TC as a minimum...


I give up Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 05 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing people perhaps need to consider when stating "run any old sh1t" is that modern bikes tend to run pretty low amounts of oil ... 50:1 is pretty common, but also is 70:1 and even 80:1 ... I know my trials bike runs 70:1 ...

As a frame of reference, I seem to remember my 2-strokes from the 70s and 80s were were running ~25:1 ... so a modern bike could be running on only 1/3 the oil of my old bikes ...

Now engineering has improved over the years, but the only way I see it possible to run those sorts of levels of oil is if you have better oil technology ... i.e. Modern Synthetics ..

p.s. No idea what ratio the OPs scoot runs at (and lets face it, it is likely to be auto mix, so we won't know), but what I said above might want to be considered before dismissing the need for 'good' oil just coz it is a scoot ...


Anyway ... I personally like/use Rock Oil fully synth in my 2-stroke bikes ... coz I think it smells nice Smile

I also use Shells castor oil (in my kart 2-stroke engines) ...
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