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veze
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 17 Feb 2009    Post subject: cbr400rr not running right! Reply with quote

the other day i was riding and i herd a quite a fat clicking noise. then after that the bike runs like crap, its very spluttery and doesnt run very well at all. i origanly though it was one of the plugs broken down, just checked the leads and took it for a spin.
i pressed the igniton switch and nothing happend, then after a few presses it started, i went out for a quick spins and it was still spluttery. when i got back i switched the ignition off then on again and my fuel pump just keeps buzzing. is it shot?
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Re: cbr400rr fuel pump shot??? Reply with quote

veze wrote:
the other day i was riding and i herd a quite a fat clicking noise. then after that the bike runs like crap, its very spluttery and doesnt run very well at all. i origanly though it was one of the plugs broken down, just checked the leads and took it for a spin.
i pressed the igniton switch and nothing happend, then after a few presses it started, i went out for a quick spins and it was still spluttery. when i got back i switched the ignition off then on again and my fuel pump just keeps buzzing. is it shot?


Can you elaborate on a few points?

1. The fat clicking noise.
2. When you hit the ignition switch and nothing happend. Did it crank? or not?
3. Spluttery at all revs? full throttle? etc.

Fuel pumps normally buzz initially when switched on to pump fuel to start. Especially on injections.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you've ran out of fuel,reserve tap?
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR 400's don't have a fuel pump. They are vacuum fed to the carbs.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
CBR 400's don't have a fuel pump. They are vacuum fed to the carbs.


I thought rr did?

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Wemoto sell a pump for the 400rr. 1990+

https://shop.wemoto.com/pictures.dyn?u=25324qqq5828147
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a brand new solid state replacement pump from xrv.org.uk or look for Facet on Ebay. When I got mine it cost about £35-£40.

The Honda originals which are actually made by Mitsubishi have got contact breakers under the plastic endcovers and they weld themselves shut. I've had 3 genuine Honda types plus a CBR6 one 2nd hand and they all failed after about 40,000 miles, though the last new one only lasted 20,000 miles before giving up the ghost.

25,000 miles up on my Facet so far with no problems and CBR600 fuel pumps are the standard secondhand replacement for AT owners so good chance it should work if it's also the same pump on the 400.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

well the clicking noise sounded like a quiet ticking, like the sound of electirc when it conducts to something.
when i hit the starter button, nothing happend a couple of times, the engine didnt tyurn over, not starter or anything,
and its spluttery at low revs up to about 8 grand, but even then it feels like its holding back unless you give it a hand full of throttle then it goes somewhere.
the bike cut out this morning on the way to work. when i pulled over, switched the ignition off then on again, the fuel pump was buzzing again. so i switched it of again then on, and it was still buzzing, and i could smell fuel and the bike was not starting, so i think it mite have been flooding the engine. so i switched the ignition of, waited of few minutes, then hit the starter as soon as i turned the ignition on again before it had a chance to flood and it started. so i splutterd to work. lol. i have noticed that its bad when i first start it in the morning but after about 10 mins of travelling it gets worse. maybe something is breaking down under tension?
ive took the inline filter off from the tank to the pump, and just put a few hose dirrectly to the pump but this has not solved the problem.

im having problems charging the battery too, i think the regulator has gone.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

now, is the speedo on thes bikes somehow linked to the ignition? i know they are restricted by this. the things is, when i bought the bike last week the speedo needle wasnt goin past 40 mph even though i was well above that.
funny things is, now the needle doesnt move at all, and im having all these issues with poor running and everything.
could the fact that this speedo isnt working be the cause for my bike not fireing properly????
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
The pump ticks like that when you run out of fuel - i wonder if you've either got an air-lock in the fuel pipes, or it's sucking in air from one of the connections?


Exactly what i thought.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dnt think im getting air through the connections on the hose from the tap bcuz its tight a feck, i had reet squeez it on. i tried staring the bike with the filler cap open but it turned over but tdidnt start. then the battery died lol, got it on charge now. how do u get and air lock in your fuel system?
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the fuel flow nicely out of the tap with the pipe disconnected?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

let me just check
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 18 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah very much so, just squirted all over my hand. lol when i went to the petrol station earlier i listen for a hiss when i opened the filler cap but it didnt hiss.
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 19 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

4Stroke wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
CBR 400's don't have a fuel pump. They are vacuum fed to the carbs.


I thought rr did?

EDIT:
Wemoto sell a pump for the 400rr. 1990+

https://shop.wemoto.com/pictures.dyn?u=25324qqq5828147


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PostPosted: 11:32 - 19 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, that's the infamous Mitsubishi shit pump. I wonder if it's the early type or the improved version that still breaks. The main difference being the inlet and outlet pipes are reversed which means you need to know if swapping from one pump to a nother.
https://images.wemoto.com/hondaparts/hondapumpmn4.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 19 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
Yup, that's the infamous Mitsubishi shit pump. I wonder if it's the early type or the improved version that still breaks. The main difference being the inlet and outlet pipes are reversed which means you need to know if swapping from one pump to a nother.
https://images.wemoto.com/hondaparts/hondapumpmn4.jpg


I got almost the same on my ZXR.
It's certainly mitsi one.
I've refurbed it a couple times and checked out the contacts but other than that I believe it's been on the bike the whole 52k it's done. Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 25 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, i have just bought a cbr 400. after 7000 Rpm it feels like clutch slip, but it eventually pulls through. it feels like it could be fuel starvation, possibly. i have cleaned the carbs and the fuel is clean. Does the speedo cable link to the restriction system?. mine does not have one fitted. Thanks.
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PostPosted: 02:35 - 26 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

they do have a restriction which if buggered about will kill 2 spark plug to cease firing after 5,500 rpm. Check plugs first, but as for the slipping this could well be clutch related
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