Red diesel

[Gti]

I was offered red diesel for 40p a litre today no questions asked.
Now I have no use for this and my old man doesn't believe in the diesel conspiracy theory so won't put it in his motor but just out of curiosity is this a good deal? what's the normal price for this stuff?
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[colin1]

i have heard that you can get a special blue dye, that if put into red diesel, makes it less obvious that you are running on not for road use diesel.
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[Itchy]

Its supposed to be £1 a litre as the red dye is added to indicate it is agricultural.

In Cornwall a fair few people used it and I witnessed a few people get caught using it also, in effect that you are supposed to prove that you only just put one tank in , else they'll be nasty and use your last MOT and estimate that you've used that many miles of red diesel...


There was some controversy years and years ago about green diesel and that a dye was added to red diesel to make it look like green diesel , but I completely forget what it was about , other than it was said to do something bad to the engine bare in mind this was early 90s story I recall.


Dunno why you don't use veg oil , the law has changed on fuel and you are allowed to manufacture 1500 litres of the stuff, but still have to pay tax on it or something, I forget the exact regs. But then again food price inflation (and thus veg oil price) means that veg oil ain't cheap 15 litre drum of pride costs £13.85, which is marginally cheaper than diesel.
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[mad4it028]

i used to use red all the time but i got it free from where i was working on plant machinery
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Duty on red deisel is about 10p a litre compared to about 53p a litre for normal diesel. So including VAT it should be about 50p a litre less than normal diesel.

At 40p a litre it is a very good deal, until you are caught.

All the best

Keith
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[Mr.Everready]

I buy in about 10,000 litres of red diesel a week at work. Todays price ( inc. duty exc. vat ) was .405p
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[Mr.Everready]

I'd just like to add while were on the subject. The last time a barrell of oil was at $40 the price was about 25p per litre. Someone somewhere is making a bloody fortune.
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[SlimRick]

Everyone on Anglesey uses red diesel, and veg oil is about the same price as white diesel now so no real savings there.

[JonB]

Bloody right they are. Exchange rates haven't changed much recently, oil has dropped to about 35$ a barrel, yet petrol is increasing by a penny a week.
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[Phoenix]

I've never seen a road fuel testing outfit and I imagine they mainly go after HGVs and vans rather than private cars, I personally cannot see you ever getting caught.

I also cannot see why they would estimate your mileage using your last MOT, whos' to say you were running regular diesel when you went for MOT, they don't test it. Like to know where you gained that information, as far as I know it is a fine that they make up.

I believe you're allowed to use 1500litres a year of alternative diesel (veg oil) and don't have to pay tax on it, but it's expensive to to make it useable and a lot of cars can't cope.

I noticed Morrisons are selling Biodiesel at the pumps in Redditch, its 99.9p a litre, exactly the same price as regular diesel, I asked him who the hell would buy it when it's the same price and risk thick fuel in cold weather and possibly issues with fuel pumps, the answer was they sell about 20litres a day from their 11,000litre tank....

[0ddball]

Used it for 3 years in my old Vectra. Pulled away from lights with coppers behind me loads of times, booted it everywhere, even got a bit blazé after a while and started pouring it in out of a 5 gallon tub right outside my house. Never had any trouble.

Imo as long as the car looks clean, is well serviced and doesn't smoke like a chimney the chances of getting caught is remote.

Some things can increase the risk. Apparantly 4x4's and vans are suspected more and if you live near a port i read there's a higher chance of being dipped. Dunno how much truth is in these rumours.

Think i paid the equivalent of 45p/l back then. I know it was about half the price of pump diesel.

[SlimRick]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Seen people having their tanks dipped at Dover hoverport when I worked in Belgium. Also think they do it at the Doxey motorway depot near me.

All the best

Keith
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[The Artist]

They check lots of agricultural shows and events. Go round the carp park testing all the unsecured landrover fuel tanks because obviously farmers and the like are more likely to use it in their road vehicles aswell as farm machinery because they have access to it.

If you own a small car in a city you are less likely to get caught than in an old landrover in the countryside.

[Nicky-Jano]

My dad's friend owns a construction company or at least the machinery, so he gets red diesel.
He ran his land-rover on it and police did pull him over eventually.
He explained he'd been low on fuel when leaving the lock up of the JCB's etc so had topped up with the red diesel.
Fine right?
Nope, they checked his exhaust and fuel tank.
Apparently they can tell what you use most regularly this way?
But when they checked they found it was a 100% ran on the red diesel.
I'm only guessing but maybe red diesel, because of the dye, leaves a different residue, and when they check they can tell your lying when there's more red diesel residue than normal.

[S1KE]

i got pulled in a van in london a few years back and VOSA sucked out my diesel tank to check it, they poke a tube down into the tank and hand pump some out to check the colour, was white though

i knew people who run there cars on it though and it smoked like fuck

mike
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[Phoenix]

I don't believe red diesel would cause a car to smoke at all, it is just normal diesel with a dye in and no road fuel tax on it. We run fridge trailers at work and they run on red diesel, so we have about 200litres of it in the belly tank, pumps are in the yard. One muppet filled the main truck tank up with red somehow (pump has a red hose and goes a lot slower than the main ones), he got a good bollocking but afaik they didn't drain it out.

[tutton]

Isnt that because once the red die touches the tank its stained, or thats what sum people i know that use it told me,

The estimation from mot does happen i heard which is harsh too
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