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The Artist
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: WTF parking tickers for bikes Reply with quote

I live near Crewe and had to go into town yesterday. Parked my bike in the bike bit and what do I see, they have concreted in some sort of ticket holder thing. Basically a little display case with a huge ring to put a chain through.

I don't carry a chain or anything secure like that with me. They expect me to put my ticket in that and leave it?? I suppose its so they can make an extra 70p out of us bikers who did not pay before.

Is this normal?
What do I do if my tickets gets nicked?
I actually spoke to the parking attendant and said, ive bought a ticket, if its nicked its not my fault.

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PostPosted: 20:05 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were meant to pay in the car parks in cornwall but we dont. I cant see why we have to pay we dont take much room up. They just wont the money

Just argue that the wind blew it away or it got nicked.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

have to be quite a long chain to fit through that and still go through a point on your bike Razz
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm , the government is utterly bankrupt they need to do this to get money out of you, me I just park a bit farther away out of town and walk in if they do things like that OR completely avoid that town all together.

Bury tickets bikes parked anywhere and has nowhere specifically to park bikes, so I just don't go to Bury at all and go to Bolton where parking is free. If Bolton decide to do it I will avoid bolton.

The council are in effect killing the golden egg laying goose.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would just say i bought one and it must of got nicked if you do get a ticket
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is, it would have cost the concil probably a couple of hundred at least with labour, fuel, tools, and the cost of the actual thing which is solid thick stainless steel!

Waste of our own money
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

about a year ago the car park i used everyday decided to remove the motorbike bay and put ticket machines in its place.

So i rang up the local council to say now were can i safely park my motorbike & will it cost me?

They replied
1.you may use a car space if you pay for a ticket to use it.
2.Parking is free for motorbikes as long as its not double yellow lines etc.

So i still assumed until today that you can park for free unless its a car space. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

These local authorities are really staring to take the piss, and to my mind proves that they don't take the whole "reduce congestion, reduce emmissions" thing seriously.

I could understand if they still ran the local public transport (i.e. buses) that they might have a motive, but this just smacks of stupidity.

Check out MotorCycleParking for a list of sites in your area.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These local authorities are really staring to take the piss, and to my mind proves that they don't take the whole "reduce congestion, reduce emmissions" thing seriously.


ou could argue that a bike emits more emisions and is less green than your average car.

these are just some figures plucked out of thin air and relate to an averagely large bike 600cc+.

MPG on a reasonably big bike, 40-45 MPG, any deisel car easily 45+, most newish petrol cars mid engine size, about 1.8-2ltr will do 35+easily.

servicing, most bikes 4k miles, my car is on variable servicing and is working out at every 16K, about 4 ltrs of oil into most engines per change.

tyres, Bike - 4K miles rears 8k miles front, car 15k miles plus for the driving wheels lots more for the rears.

then when you add in the fact that most bikes can only carry 2 people max, a car can easily carry 4 and at a push 5.

so compared to a car, a bike uses less petrol but more tyres and oil to carry less people so more of the earths resources and less green than a modern car.

Just a thought like Wink
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafflade wrote:

so compared to a car, a bike uses less petrol but more tyres and oil to carry less people so more of the earths resources and less green than a modern car.

Just a thought like Wink


not comparing like for like though in that an average car is what ? a hatch back like a fiesta or a saxo for commuting to work in , therefore you have to compare like for like ie a 250cc CB250 would be fair.

A 600cc sports bike is like a Ferrari,
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:

not comparing like for like though in that an average car is what ? a hatch back like a fiesta or a saxo for commuting to work in , therefore you have to compare like for like ie a 250cc CB250 would be fair.

A 600cc sports bike is like a Ferrari,


I said at the start I plucked the figures out of thin air but I was using my skoda octavia as a baseline.

I dont think you can compare a CBR600 to a Ferrari, ferrari's would do about 15mpg. I dont see many ferrari's on the road whereas I see a hell of a lot of 600cc+ bikes, your average 20 year old can afford one and they are now considered a first bike post DAS.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some interesting points, my bike returns 48mpg at 90mph on the motorway (find me a car that'll do 0-60 in 3 secs that can do that), if I ride at 70mph or pootle around town I'll get 50mpg (find me a petrol car on a proven combined cycle that can do that).

None of my journeys involve sitting in heavy traffic burning fuel without moving very far for 10-20 mins at a time (I filter past literally hundreds that are).

My commute involves dropping my daughter off at school first, 90+% of the cars on the road are single occupancy.

If I used a car on my commute or shopping in town my carbon footprint would be 2-3 times larger.

Just a thought Thumbs Up

EDIT: forgot the servicing: front tyres 11,000 miles, rear tyres 8,000 miles full set = £200 (full set for my wife's car £370 for budget brand Barums, Michelin £100+ each)

Oil change monthly, major servicing annually/15,000 miles
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only chucked that post in a stop and think about what you are saying type post, I honestly dont think that biking as any more green than driving an economical car.

For example a few weeks ago we had a hire car in work, it was an deisel astra sporty model 150 BHP apparently, 4 blokes traveled across britain in it over a couple of days and when we got back to Bristol I did the maths and it worked out to return 53MPG and it was getting pretty thrashed.

I honestly dont believe a v strom will do 0-60 in 3 secs either, I think my Tuono would be strugling to do that Wink
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafflade wrote:
MPG on a reasonably big bike, 40-45 MPG, any deisel car easily 45+, most newish petrol cars mid engine size, about 1.8-2ltr will do 35+easily.


2008 ER-6F 65-70mpg and about 130mph top speed.

tafflade wrote:
servicing, most bikes 4k miles, my car is on variable servicing and is working out at every 16K, about 4 ltrs of oil into most engines per change.


2008 ER-6F oil changes every 7500mls and just under 2 litres.

tafflade wrote:
tyres, Bike - 4K miles rears 8k miles front, car 15k miles plus for the driving wheels lots more for the rears.


Bet I get more than your quoted mileage on my bikes.

tafflade wrote:
then when you add in the fact that most bikes can only carry 2 people max, a car can easily carry 4 and at a push 5.


When was the last time you saw a commuter car with 4 people in it?

tafflade wrote:
so compared to a car, a bike uses less petrol but more tyres and oil to carry less people so more of the earths resources and less green than a modern car.


It has the potential, maybe but as someone else said compare like with like and the picture is a lot different.

tafflade wrote:
Just a thought like Wink


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PostPosted: 23:14 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what would you say like for like is.

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PostPosted: 23:18 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafflade wrote:
so what would you say like for like is.

Golf GTI - CBR6?


Dunno to be honest I have nothing to do with cars. I think the problem is performance wise bikes, even cheapies like my new ER-6F will always be ahead of cars in the performance stakes so a direct comparison is always going to be hard unless you compare maybe a CG125 to a Fiesta? Confused
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 05 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
tafflade wrote:
so what would you say like for like is.

Golf GTI - CBR6?


Dunno to be honest I have nothing to do with cars.


same here, I drive as little as possible because it does my head in.

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2008 ER-6F oil changes every 7500mls and just under 2 litres


I'm genuinely surprised at this, I wonder how the engines will fare in the very long term and high milage. It'll only take a small leak for the oil level to be down by quite a lot.

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When was the last time you saw a commuter car with 4 people in it?


every day on the motorway, its not uncommon at all.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 06 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have these in Leicester, it's a choice to use them. If you want to use the chain then you have to buy a ticket.

Don't want to buy a ticket then don't use the chain. Should be a sign nearby explaining it.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 06 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:

Talking about parking spaces for bikes, I was told a few years back by a traffic warden that as long as it's not causing an obstruction to pedestrians, you can park on the pavement. I do this regularly when using the bank and have never got done - touch wood.

No problems doing this in Reading so far, but do it a bit in London and you can expect a ticket. I got a ticket for doing so in Colchester; it was pretty much outside the police station, however my bike had broken down and I needed to get somewhere, so was in a rush to get the bus.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 06 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do this at Helmsley as well Thumbs Down

the council know its a hot spot for bikers so they changed their ticket machines, bikers now get to press a magic button that prints 2 tickets so if the one for the bike gets nicked you still have proof
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 06 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonym20 wrote:
They do this at Helmsley as well Thumbs Down

the council know its a hot spot for bikers so they changed their ticket machines, bikers now get to press a magic button that prints 2 tickets so if the one for the bike gets nicked you still have proof


I remember having a bad day once so just set off on my little 125, ended up in Helmsley so parked up, walked to a picnic bench with my flask and baccy to have a mope/contemplate ( Laughing )

Not there 5 mins when a thoughtful passer by came and advised me that a parking warden had just been sniffing around my bike...

I may not have stopped to read the convoluted signs etc, but ffs I just wanted a little break in what I thought was a bike friendly town. Fuck em, I left the parking pig to harass someone else. Really spoilt my day even more.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 06 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tafflade wrote:

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When was the last time you saw a commuter car with 4 people in it?


every day on the motorway, its not uncommon at all.


It may not be uncommon, but it's probably still a minority, compared to the number of sole occupant cars on the road. I travel 60 miles a day for work. I used to take my CG125 when I had it, getting over 100mpg (even the Hornet I take now returns a decent amount), but if it's cold/wet (nearly always) I'll take my less-economical-more-polluting BMW 328, which struggles to get 30mpg. At that time in the morning when I'm going to work, it's pretty much all commuters, 1 per car (occasionally 2, but very rarely any more). And they're not all eco-friendly superminis, a huge amount of them are big engined Mercs, BMW's and Audis, not to mention 4x4's.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 06 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it said in bold letters, place ticket in here and there was a parking attendant nearby (which I spoke to) so couldn't really get out of it. Don't wanna get caught atm Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 06 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

where in crewe is this? i live nr there and usually park on the old square..
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