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cLaTTeReD
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: What is a good bike for wheelies ? Reply with quote

Currently have an SP1 that i can do some pretty rubbish 1st gear power wheelies,

I have been told a twin is not the best to learn to wheelie as they dont have much topend power

i want to do some longer wheelies and am considering a 2nd bike which may also mnake it to the track

whats a good bike to wheelie ? any tips on doing so on the SP1 would be appreciated

many thanks
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, really, I wish someone would tell my sv twin that it's crap at wheelies, and stop doing it, when I dump the clutch at traffic lights!
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see why a bike with loads of top end power would wheelie better Confused
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wheelies like hell
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

because once you hike the front wheel up off the power in 1st, there is nothing left at the top of the rev range to keep it up and sustain the wheelie

eg. R1 ect more rev's more power, longer wheelie

the sp drops the front at the top of the rev range as the power tails off

maybe this is different if you clutch it up ? as you can get the front up travelling slower, i dont know

im not talking about lifting the front at the lights, thats easy. I mean sustained wheelies on the balance point

any ideas ?
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the bike isn't the problem, it's the owner TBH.

you need to get a long to a wheelie school and learn more techniques. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not the bike, it's the rider and the technique.

V-twins are good for wheelies if anything!!

The reason you run out of power is not the bike, it's just the fact you've only got the front wheel about a foot off the ground! Get the wheel higher and you'll maintain the wheely for longer before running out of revs... then once you get high enough to find balance point, you'll be able to wheely as long as the road is without running out of revs....

Learn to clutch it up, more controlled and you can get the wheel higher at slower speed which means you find balance point at a slower speed so can maintain the wheely.

Also, clutching it up in 2nd gear means that even on power you'd go further than in 1st before running out of revs.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great!

This is the info i was looking for Smile

so i am better off getting the bike to about 30mpg in 2nd then slipping the clutch ? rather than bringing it up in 1st off the power.

i am pretty sure your right in the fact im not getting the front wheel high enough

it does feel pretty savage when you slip the clutch on the SP though comapared to a 4 cylinder bike. Maybe i just need to get used to it a bit more

and save for some more tires Confused

cheers
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lllN30lll wrote:
the bike isn't the problem, it's the owner TBH.

you need to get a long to a wheelie school and learn more techniques. Thumbs Up


i know its the owner - thats why im asking for advice

and im sure there are many wheelie experts out there that are self taught, i have no intention of going to a wheelie school

crash bungs will be a good idea though Smile
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:35 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm completely self taught.

all started after watching this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qncPBZ9DRRk
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers mate

i have watched that vid many times

and i made some progress my ex missus SRAD (thats not why she is an ex lol)

but a v-twin seems very differnt to me - maybe just cause its not as smooth, off the clutch seems really violent and jerky

im probably just being a pussy Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

any bike will wheelie.
the way i learned was ''you have to do something with the clutch apparantly'' so i fiddled a bit, and thought ''awesome'' when the front of my 400 popped up a few inches once.

since then, work on it, method improves.

then all of a sudden it just clicks right there and then, and you can carry on for as long as neccesary (or thats what i found anyway0
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cLaTTeReD wrote:
cheers mate

i have watched that vid many times

and i made some progress my ex missus SRAD (thats not why she is an ex lol)

but a v-twin seems very differnt to me - maybe just cause its not as smooth, off the clutch seems really violent and jerky

im probably just being a pussy Very Happy


My last bike was a VTR Firestorm... V-twins are great for wheelying on.. you'll just have to learn to be a bit smoother with the controls... try letting the clutch out quickly rather than "dumping" it... it's like pulling away from the lights really quickly... only do it from a rolling start and give it some more revs.

Don't worry about speeds or revs, don't even look at the speedo... you can tell by feel... ride along in 2nd about 40ish, open the throttle quickly... around 40/50 ish mark you'll feel that "sweet spot" where you can accelerate quickly without it bogging....

That's the spot you want to let the clutch out really quickly whilst rolling on the revs....

Start with a small amount of revs and see what the bike does... then gradually increase... don't just give it a handful and see what happens!

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I'm shattered and about to go to bed!
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've got a hornet 600, and i have been trying to wheelie it, bt having no luck. Tried the power wheelie in first, only manage to get a little one if someone is on the back, and only tried the slip the clutch a few times to no prevail. Anyone know the best way or easiest way to wheelie a hornet 600? cheers.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 18 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strangely enough the XT600E wheelies quite well on just the power if you don't change up and the 2nd carb kicks in. And its a low power single.

I managed to loft the front of the Africa twin (which is scary as it is such a huge machine with such a big fairing you can't see jack). When I was putting it through its trials.

If you REALLY want to cheat , do what many stunters do and stick a dinner plate sized sprocket on the rear front will come up just accelerating like normal.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pit bikes are fun to learn on. Laughing

Roll the power on in 2nd. Will lift on power alone. Get it to balance point and away you go.

I learnt on a Speedfight. Was handy because it had a rear hand operated brake.




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PostPosted: 00:11 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfaired 1200 bandit!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Unfaired 1200 bandit!! Thumbs Up



I've heard the Bandit 12's are good wheelie bikes. I was actually looking at getting one instead of a sports bike.





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PostPosted: 00:20 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, your having trouble wheelying an sp1.

I had a mate that could keep it on the rear forever on an sp1 just practice.

And bandits suck if you want to find bp.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last thing you want for low-medium speed wheelies is a powerful yet peaky bike, where the power only really comes on very strong in the last 1/3 of the rev range. The 2008 ZX10R is a very good example of this. 165bhp at the rear wheel, yet the engine is so docile at low revs that you have to be going at much higher than ideal speeds to get really good drive, and so when it gets airbourne your into silly speed territory.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:

I've heard the Bandit 12's are good wheelie bikes. I was actually looking at getting one instead of a sports bike.


They have so much low down power/torque, and so little weight over the front (relatively), its almost impossible NOT to wheelie one, you don't even have to try!! Wink

It was good fun for about 10 mins I rode one Thumbs Up ... then it got really irritating as it actually takes forethought in your riding to keep the front DOWN!! Sad

But if wheelieing is what you are after, the 1200 bandit will do the trick!! Cool
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:

It was good fun for about 10 mins I rode one Thumbs Up ... then it got really irritating as it actually takes forethought in your riding to keep the front DOWN!! Sad



I'm used to that with my daily commuter bike. Laughing



I think I'd get a bandit 12. Then spend Silly amounts of money on it trying to make it look better.

I think I'd be more suited to an R1 or Gixxer thou to be honest.






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PostPosted: 01:37 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the first time my front wheel lifted, i thought WOW, that make off the ground by miles. I was dead chuffed... Till my mate said it came off the floor about 2 inches... Bubble burst.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 19 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


If you REALLY want to cheat , do what many stunters do and stick a dinner plate sized sprocket on the rear front will come up just accelerating like normal.


Yeah then he'll run out of revs even quicker and the wheely will last all of 2 seconds...

Makes me laugh people who think a dinner sized sprocket = instant wheelie skills Laughing

And for the record.. I'm only +5 on the rear from standard Smile

As for hornets, they definetly need a lot of clutch to loft the front end! But they are really good fun for wheelies.

Me on a mates hornet... so easy I can do it with me eyes closed hehe

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