aaargh fire!! FUKITYFUKFUKFUK

[Fisty]

So, today on the way to work the barge was missfiring a bit, I put this down to the dense fog and general dampness of the day.
At lunch I had a quick glance over the bike and couldnt see anything wrong, it started fine and no missfiring.

On the way home it was utter shite, kept cutting out and generally being an arse. Parked up went inside and let the dog out. When I let him out the front door I could smell burning plastic, and see black smoke coming from the bike!! Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite!!!

So after a quick blast with a CO2 extinguisher im left with this mess.

https://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/mr_fisty/DSC00662.jpg

No idea whats caused it but the loom is screwed. Its like the picture in several places. Lucily I have a spare but Id still like to know what caused it.
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[yambabe]

Fire. HTH.
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[Itchy]

My NTV self imolated twice , one time was a petrol leak due to a badly decayed fuel hose.

The other was electrical and before I started fixing things myself, it had to be vanned home and taken to Gaz.

He said it was because the outer covering of the big fat wires had frayed from very slight rubbing for years and that the loom had been messed with (it had as it had a big fairing with side lights like you find on lorries multiple different headlamps (4 bulbs crammed into each light fittament) and wasn't put back into the holder which is molded into the airbox.

And that the heat from these wires was tiny and thus was ok for ages until a big enough strip was frayed away which caused more heat enough to start things burning.

I watched him cut out that bit of loom and re-solder in quite a lot of wires , wrap them up in heat shrink then wrap them up in tape then sheath them in a thick protective tube.
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[c_dug]

Sounds very similar to when i burned my TDR, with me the sparkplug had come loose and it eventualy popped out and ignited the petrol coming from the hole, not good!
Damage was fairly similar just a bit worse, was bad enough to warrent changing the whole loom rather than just repairing it.

Actualy to be honest for me the fire couldnt have been in a worse place, it caused damage to the loom in two places, melted the CDI, melted the power valver servo and melted the throttle cable (not that i realised about the cable untill one day when i was miles from home it snapped on me!)

c_dug
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[stinkwheel]

You had a short circuit, as said already, probably from a wire rubbing through the insulation and shorting against the frame.

It would almost definately be better to buy a whole loom off a breakers than to start trying to splice bits of wire in the old one. The insulation will be damaged beyond where it looks like and two additional joins per damaged wire are just somewhere else for it to fail.

Or twist the ends together and wrap them in PVC tape then spend the rest of your life chasing intermittant electrical faults. Eventually getting so fed up that you sell it to some other poor bastard who has the same headache until he finds the bodge then replaces the loom. That's what most people do.
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[Cigaro]

If you join wires properly (solder and heatshrink and tape for good measure) it will be fine. My bikes and cars have always been wired up like this and I've never had a connection fail yet.

[stinkwheel]

Second hand looms go for £35.

Life's too short.
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[Cigaro]

Trouble with second hand looms is they may already be damaged or about to fail again.

I'm far happier knowing that my vehicle is wired up with high-grade wire, properly joined together by someone who isn't getting flogged by their boss if they don't get so many done a day.

(Yes, I am aware that the pictures of my bike in my sig fully illustrate the world's worst wiring job).

[Fisty]

As I said ive got a 2nd hand loom, spent this morning testing the loom all seems good. No wear or rubbing marks and all the contacts are good. Old loom stripped out in just over an hour.
Now this is the hardest job Ive ever done, refitting a loom with most of the bike in place! Fook me every wire got snagged or found its way through the wrong hole! Very frustrating!
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[c_dug]

A tip for next time, Re-wire the new loom in as you take the old one out, it means you can follow the routing etc Means you dont end up thinking bollocks where does this part go?

c_dug
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[Fisty]

lol i knew where everything went, its just so tight getting stuff back in especiall when things like the engine are in the way.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

You might be surprised how cheap a new loom is. Quick look suggests a ZX9R loom us about £190, which is cheap compared to how much they want for bodywork and the like.

All the best

Keith
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