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[jack_zxr400]

I sold my alpinestar gp pro gloves on ebay and the buyer is complaining that the palms (they were red and white) are black where my grip has coloured them and therfore they arnt in good condition..

My arguement is the stitching is good (perfect actually, none has come away or anything) aswell as the leather (no tears or anything). And the palms of the gloves just get discoloured from being USED and I said they were used gloves

what do you think?
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Did you show the palms in the pictures?

Did you mention that they were discoloured?

Why not just say if he's unhappy he can send them back to you and you'll give him his money back minus the postage.

It's fair, but I bet he won't bother as he's just after a few more quid off.
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[mark83]

If you said they were used and they don't look like shitrags, then you have no reason to send them back.

He bought at his own peril, and (I'm assuming ) you were honest in your description.

But if you speak to him on the phone you're more likely to get him to reason - email/messages are always too formal and can sound threatening without meaning to.
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[jack_zxr400]

I didnt mention anything specific in the description, just said I have had them for a few years, and they have been used for normal rides out but are in good condition.

What does he expect after near two years of use?

He did ask just now if he can send them back.

TBH I cba with all that but hes treatening me with chargebacks and stuff.
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[jack_zxr400]

Also he never asked for more pics or asked any questions about it..

if he did, would have been able to avoid all this lol
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[Jamrock]

Say it's fine and that you'll refund him the money once you have the gloves in your possesion. Give him your address and state you'll minus a couple of £££ for postage.

No point in wasting time with cocks like him.

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

The only thing you have to be careful of is that ebay always tend to side with the buyer.
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Did he pay by Paypal?

If he did just get them back from him and relist them. If he opens a Paypal dispute he will win because Paypal are useless scum.

If he didn't pay using Paypal tell him to swivel.

The trouble with eBay is that if you sell enough stuff you'll soon realise that the populous at large are stupid.

[jack_zxr400]

Yup it was paypal.

I hate selling things on ebay.. the people are fucking idiots

If he mails but saying 'no i expecting brand new untouched gloves that I can stare at all day instead of actually using the fucking things for what they were made to do' then ill get them back and refund him minus the postage, ebay listing fee and papal fee if there was one
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[buddy]

just how discoloured are they?

because if you didnt mention it and you couldnt see it from the picture then to be honest he is right to be annoyed, how much did he pay?
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[jack_zxr400]

as I said the palms are blackened and not white anymore but they are two years old, what do you expect?

£40 and im sure you all know how much alpinestars cost brand new so again, what do you expect when your buying second hand gloves, few years old, for no where near retail price? lol
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[Stelmer]

This is why I boycotted Ebay. I had a similar incident which really wound me up and resulted in me closing my ebay account and loosing £75. Got some minor satisfaction in supplying his email address to literally tonnes of spam though...

Even after all the refunds, you will still get negative feedback too and there's nothing you can do in return. Buyer beware doesn't exist on ebay.

[jack_zxr400]

if they keep favouriting the buyer, no one will want to sell, then whos there guna be buyer protection for when no one can buy anything?
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[Selkie]

If he's sent you messages threatening chargebacks etc make sure you keep them as they can be used to reverse the chargeback if he attempts one, it's absolutely against ebay and paypal rules for buyers to use threats like that. Ebay and paypal will side with you if the buyer starts threatening you like that.

Ironically if you reported him for threatening you then he'll get blocked from ebay and you won't have to bother with him any more!

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[MarkJ]

I take it these are them?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Alpinestar-GP-Pro-Red-White-Leather-Gloves-Small_W0QQitemZ150330748827QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Gloves?hash=item150330748827&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

I would have definitely put a picture of the palms on there, most the other people who recently sold those gloves as used have pictures of the palms.

The listing doesn't say you've had them for two years. The pessimist in me interprets "Thanks, let me know if you have any questions!" As "Anything I haven't taken a picture of I probably don't want you to see!". But then that's me and I'm overly cautious of buying second hand things on eBay - I definitely would have asked what the condition of the palms were if it was me.

[jack_zxr400]

That model of alpinestar gp pro gloves are about two years old (if not older) as im sure you've seen the new ones (they have more.. er..jelly type stuff around them)

Anyone who knew anything about alpinestar (you would have to look at their line of products to know about them) would know what the older versions look like aswell as the newer ones

He had every chance (10 days) to ask for pics, or even ask questions. He could have even just researched when they first came out and when the new ones came out.. he did none

'used for normal riding' means there were used for normal riding lol
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[Faldo]

Well, I'm on your side to be honest. I think I paid in excess of £150 for my GP Pro gloves when they first came out.

As you said, they have been used, so I personally would expect the marks to be on the palm, but as has been said, eBay buyers are usually nutters expecting virtually new stuff for bottom dollar.

If he does start a Paypal dispute, they will make him send them back (and prove that you have received them), but they will give him a refund for the postage that you charged him as well as the final value.

He's obviously just trying to get a bit knocked off, but if I were you I'd tell him to send them back and give him a refund minus postage.

It's just the pain in the arse that eBay is I'm afraid.
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[krebsy]

I've a few things I need to sell up on Ebay including Mrs. K's Old (by old I mean brand spanking new - just doesn't fit her as she lost a load of weight whilst I healed up before getting back on the bike) Apline stars leather jacket, fabric trousers plus other odds and ends including ski boots. Just thinking E-Fence will be too much of a hassle to go through to only end up with bugger all money back for what is brand new kit.

K.
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[ms51ves3]

Maybe you could post a picture up of what the palms actually look like (if you have one) as this is what the dispute is over

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[Ariel Badger]

I would rather wear second hand condoms than second hand gloves.
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[nick606]

I wouldn't of exactly called them good condition if the palms had discolored

Plus where you said

"just been used for normal rides and have no tears or anything"

i would take that as nothing at all is wrong with it including discoloring/fading. Up to you but i don't think its a fair description of the item. Its like going looking at a bike and someone failing to mention the damage/ or paint fading in this case .