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Itchy
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/31/privacy_grauniad_glovepuppet_followup/page2.html

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Privacy campaigners have called in the national press for a debate over possible future car technologies being considered by the European Union.

The Guardian "can reveal" today that the UK government "are the main backers" of the EU's Cooperative Vehicle-Infrastructure Systems (CVIS), details of which "will be unveiled this year".

Under the plans, every vehicle would be fitted with a data radio which would emit a regular "heartbeat" of information into the CVIS network. This would permit anyone with official access to the network to locate and track any moving vehicle in real time. Brussels officials involved in the project think that such equipment could be fitted to new vehicles as soon as 2013, and that European nations might choose to make it compulsory.



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The Guardian has been given unpublished documents detailing the proposed uses for the system. They confirm that it could have profound implications for privacy, enabling cars to be tracked to within a metre - more accurate than current satellite navigation technologies.

The European commission has asked governments to reserve radio frequency on the 5.9 Gigahertz band, essentially setting aside a universal frequency on which CVIS technology will work.

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PostPosted: 18:49 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excellent--progress! sends tingles down the spine!woooo
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
So how long before an innocent human is convicted of a crime just for parking their car or bike in the vicinity of a crime scene?
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Stop whinging, you know you love big brother. Razz

Where's me tinfoil hat? It doesn't exist, it's all a conspiracy theory. It's really a good thing that they're doing it. It'll only be a problem if you're a criminal. It wont work. They'd never do that, this is Britain...
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There was never any way in hell they were going to let personal anti-grav vehicles loose without that kind of technology.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/31/privacy_grauniad_glovepuppet_followup/page2.html

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Privacy campaigners have called in the national press for a debate over possible future car technologies being considered by the European Union.

The Guardian "can reveal" today that the UK government "are the main backers" of the EU's Cooperative Vehicle-Infrastructure Systems (CVIS), details of which "will be unveiled this year".

Under the plans, every vehicle would be fitted with a data radio which would emit a regular "heartbeat" of information into the CVIS network. This would permit anyone with official access to the network to locate and track any moving vehicle in real time. Brussels officials involved in the project think that such equipment could be fitted to new vehicles as soon as 2013, and that European nations might choose to make it compulsory.




So let's get this straight. Something might happen in four years time, if countries choose to implement it.

But then again, we don't actually know what this CVIS actually is designed for yet.

Sometimes I despair of the sensationalist propoganda which is spread here.

You should work for the tabloid press, you'd fit right in.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So let's get this straight. Something might happen in four years time, if countries choose to implement it.

But then again, we don't actually know what this CVIS actually is designed for yet.

Sometimes I despair of the sensationalist propoganda which is spread here.

You should work for the tabloid press, you'd fit right in.



Yes lucky this is the first we have heard of this concept and there is no pay per mile scheme research of yet..theres not 100"s of millions being spent on such a thing with the intention of slapping them on every car in the EU because no ones working towards making all countries making up the EU governed by one body with out choice.

How do we do this just focus on the story at hand?il give that a go man Very Happy
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PostPosted: 02:49 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Sometimes I despair of the sensationalist propoganda which is spread here.

You should work for the tabloid press, you'd fit right in.


Disagree, you'd rather not hear about anything until the day it all comes into action then because before then it's not 100% guaranteed?

While passing rumours and proposals, which often will never amount to anything, off as gospel is pointless, this hasn't done that, it's just cited a new article which you yourself highlight states that it's something that is being looked at, nothing more.

Lots of stories start out this way and end up being reality, ID cards, mobile/email communications logging and travel logging being a few that come to mind.
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PostPosted: 05:24 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
My dad has a load of lead in preperation for this, he says he is gonna put a box around it Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
My dad has a load of lead in preperation for this, he says he is gonna put a box around it Laughing


Simply earthing the car would probably be just as effective. Trail a piece of chain onto the road like they do with fire engines.

The car bodywork acts like a faraday cage anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Phoenix wrote:
Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Sometimes I despair of the sensationalist propoganda which is spread here.

You should work for the tabloid press, you'd fit right in.


Disagree, you'd rather not hear about anything until the day it all comes into action then because before then it's not 100% guaranteed?

While passing rumours and proposals, which often will never amount to anything, off as gospel is pointless, this hasn't done that, it's just cited a new article which you yourself highlight states that it's something that is being looked at, nothing more.

Lots of stories start out this way and end up being reality, ID cards, mobile/email communications logging and travel logging being a few that come to mind.


I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Razz

I don't mind at all having things brought to my attention - but let's have the facts please, not a twisted hyped up version.

The title says:

"Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU."

Which is much more inflammatory than a more accurate title of, say:

"EU to examine postulated proposal for possible non compulsory vehicle 'tracking' system."

I don't like opinion with my facts, since I am more than capable of forming my own, I just want the facts.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
My dad has a load of lead in preperation for this, he says he is gonna put a box around it Laughing


If the transmitter operates in the 5GHz range, he wont need lead, just some tinfoil from one of my hats will do nicely.
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Damofo D.O.G. why is it people know that to read a book you have to read between the lines but when it comes to the media this does not apply Laughing.

Of course jumping to conclusions left right and center is pointless but theres been a clear trend forming with this technology and its intended use...the same agenda is being rolled out in america

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The idea -- which involves tracking drivers through Global Positioning System (GPS) units in their cars -- is gaining support in some states as a way of making up for a shortfall in highway funding. Oregon carried out a pilot program and deemed it "successful."


Add global warming hysteria with the need for control and knowing how the media works when introducing ideas in order to gain public acceptance "its for safety it will improve"...which will progress to " a better carbon trading system"..the fucking media does my head in..apparently i was crazy but now i am right Laughing woo
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
chris-red wrote:
My dad has a load of lead in preperation for this, he says he is gonna put a box around it Laughing


Simply earthing the car would probably be just as effective. Trail a piece of chain onto the road like they do with fire engines.

The car bodywork acts like a faraday cage anyway.


Why do they do that with Fire Engines?

Edit; Oh becuase of the deployment of the hoses that may accidentally tackle electrical blazes? Question
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 02 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Mac_Kaliba wrote:


Why do they do that with Fire Engines?

Edit; Oh becuase of the deployment of the hoses that may accidentally tackle electrical blazes? Question

Also because thousands of litres of water passing through a rubber hose can generate a massive static potential. Enough to spoil your day if it earths through you and not the pump.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 04 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Damofo D.O.G. wrote:

The title says:

"Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU."

Which is much more inflammatory than a more accurate title of, say:

"EU to examine postulated proposal for possible non compulsory vehicle 'tracking' system."

I don't like opinion with my facts, since I am more than capable of forming my own, I just want the facts.


Fine "Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU." might be incorrect for the time being but it can be replaced by

"Lets track ALL internet , phone , email activity everywhere says UK government ." ~ law comes into effect Monday.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 05 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
"EU to examine postulated proposal for possible non compulsory vehicle 'tracking' system."


Wonder if Korn would implement a "Nice alliteration" rating.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 05 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:


"Lets track ALL internet , phone , email activity everywhere says UK government ." ~ law comes into effect Monday.

Just because it is law, doesn't mean it is going to happen.

I'd like to see our inept government try and keep track of all these media.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 05 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Jon B wrote:
I'd like to see our inept government try and keep track of all these media.


You're just hoping that they're as stupid as they pretend to be. They'll give it a bloody good go and I doubt it's something they've thought up over night.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 06 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
Jon B wrote:

Just because it is law, doesn't mean it is going to happen.



Yer I mean just because anti-terroism and privacy laws which infringe on personal freedoms and breach human rights CAN be abused; dosn't mean they WILL right?!.....RIGHT?!


(no, wrong its already happened although luckily not in any serious cases that i know of (yet))
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 06 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: Lets track ALL vehicles everywhere says EU. Reply with quote
yuri2085 wrote:
Jon B wrote:

Just because it is law, doesn't mean it is going to happen.



Yer I mean just because anti-terroism and privacy laws which infringe on personal freedoms and breach human rights CAN be abused; dosn't mean they WILL right?!.....RIGHT?!


(no, wrong its already happened although luckily not in any serious cases that i know of (yet))

Read my whole post you moron, I was on about this specific bit of legislation.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 06 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sad (didnt actually go back to read it again and never will muahahha!)
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