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PostPosted: 23:18 - 19 Apr 2009    Post subject: Dubai Reply with quote

My other half's brother and wife moved out there last year - he is doing quite well and they want us to go and try it out there.

How difficult is it to get work out there? I don't have the full bachelors degree which most seem to ask for, just a HND.
Has anyone or does anyone know people who have relocated or moved to dubai for a few years, would only be a year or two to test the water then see if we like it for the long term or not, but we will be coming back eventually.
This country is starting to piss me off a bit so a break might do us some good.
I am a bit worried about career prospects in a foreign country such as dubai when i cant even find anything half decent here though Sad

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PostPosted: 00:01 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know a lot about it, but I have heard that Dubai got hit by the credit crunch more than most places. I think its something like the bubble has burst. Probably worth researching it on the net, to see if that is the case.

If that's the case, there might be quite a few people without jobs with experience working there, who are looking for jobs.

I don't know what you would be leaving here. Could you do it so that you went as a holiday, and if you found a job, you could stay ?

A lorry driver I knew through a previous job, sold all his stuff, to go live in Canada, he stayed a short while, didn't like it, and came back.

I guess the better way, would be to not burn your bridges somehow, and not commit yourself until you have been out there.
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky Mark just came back from Dubai his 24 month contract was ended just like that as his company pretty much went bust and due to not having a job he was told he had to leave pretty sharpish.

Kurt also got offered a job out there and it was rescinded because the company was in severe financial trouble.,


Whatever you do DO NOT rack up debt there as much as possible , bankruptcy is NOT an option debtors are thrown into prisons, you seriously don't want to be in prison in the middle east.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up there, and although a lot has changed since then it was common practice that you went there TO a job rather than looking for one.

That way visas' etc were sorted in advance by the company and housing was supplied.

As stated there does seem to be a lot of people returning, and some pretty tasty cars simply being abandoned at the airport as people skip out on their debts. I know I wouldn't go there without a job already lined up, most western companies out there are global so often recruit in their home nation.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea the draconian laws there are a bit daunting, defaulting, co habiting with the opposite sex and having a child out of wedlock can get you jailtime and deported Shocked also no bikes and strict speed limits, we are going on holiday in june and maybe a few more to see what its like, i think she's buying into the glitzy lifestyle idea, personally i'm a bit sceptical.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

No bikes? What you on? Laughing


Bikes are common out there, although mainly off road Thumbs Up

The laws are surprisingly easy to live with, and most of the examples you give are very very rare, even then only applied to certain racial demographics.

I would move back in an instant, it really is another lifestyle out there Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
No bikes? What you on? Laughing



....in certain places.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also you do not want to get caught with anything that is even remotely a drug, even a lot of prescription stuff on the way in you'll get thrown in jail for five years minimum sentence.

I've been there and I didn't thin it was all that. Its obviously incredibly hot all the time so you just stay in air conditioned comfort. Its too hot to ride bikes most of the year and as has been mentioned the laws are draconian, the internet is censored and if you have no money you get the boot.

Nope, the more I think about it the more I realise that I didn't like it, and don't like it.
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PostPosted: 05:30 - 21 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah and don't have sex on the beach either...


Was an article in the papers a while ago about the rapid demise of contstruction jobs and massive numbers of workers being told to leave the country immediately as they no longer had work, they'd dont really give you a chance to find anything else from what it said.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 21 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

vee wrote:
kwaker6r wrote:
No bikes? What you on? Laughing



....in certain places.


I'm going to echo Kwaker here and say, what ARE you on? Bike's are common place. Massive number of indian and pakistani couriers out there and at night the real bikes come out. Very big biking scene over there and if you do go for it and head out there I'll put you in touch with some of my mates who ride Thumbs Up Look up Fast Old Gits (FOGs) they've got a website and probably more suited to your crowd as there's a couple on there with 'Busas, another STUPIDLY quick rider with a 10R as well.

With regards to jobs, I honestly don't know, it depends what kind of work you're looking at doing I guess but as Kwaker says it's probably easiest to line up a job so visa, accomodation etc is all arranged. Failing that, a visit visa lasts a month over there so nothing to stop you going and staying with your girlfriend's brother for a bit whilst you snoop around.

With reference to MarJay's post about temperature and the laws, yes it is starting to warm up a bit now and will only carry on getting hotter untill late August, early September, after that it cools down fairly quickly and I'd say 8 out of 12 months is really nice temperature. Laws, yes things like living with girlfriends etc is frowned upon but the Police aren't going to come adamently looking for you and boot you out. Slight exageration about the prescription drugs though Rolling Eyes One of my friend's got busted with 0.32 grams of weed in his pocket (left it in there accidentally) on his way through the airport back into Dubai and spent two months in prison and has now been deported. Sucks but I lived my first 20 years of my life without drugs, this country's a bad influence on me Laughing

No matter what you read in the newspapers or what anyone has said in this thread, I would honestly say go and dip your toe in the water. It's a different lifestyle over there and I love every second I get to spend there.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

quacker_boy wrote:
Slight exageration about the prescription drugs though Rolling Eyes One of my friend's got busted with 0.32 grams of weed in his pocket (left it in there accidentally) on his way through the airport back into Dubai and spent two months in prison and has now been deported. Sucks but I lived my first 20 years of my life without drugs, this country's a bad influence on me Laughing


What about the guy who got 5 years for having a poppy seed on his shirt? or the guy who got 5 years for having the stub of a smoked joint stuck to his shoe? Or Grooverider who got 5 years for having a bag of weed in his record box? (He did get pardoned, but only because he was famous).

Or what about the Stewardess who got arrested for having Lemsip on her which contains Ephedrine? I could find hundreds of stories of the UAE being heavy handed on drugs tbh.

Foreign office travel advice website wrote:
The importation of narcotics, pork products and pornographic books and material is forbidden. Videos, books and magazines are subject to scrutiny and may be censored.

The penalties for drug trafficking, smuggling and possession, of even residual amounts, of drugs are severe. The possession and/or import of even the smallest amount of drugs can result in a minimum prison sentence of four years. The presence of drugs in the blood stream is counted as possession.

Some prescribed and over the counter medicines that are available in the UK are considered to be controlled substances in the UAE. Any such medication is not allowed into the UAE without prior permission from the UAE Ministry of Health. If a passenger arrives in the UAE without prior approval and the required documentation, the medication will not be allowed into the UAE and the person may be subject to prosecution under the laws of the UAE.

Under FAQ's on the English pages of the UAE Health Ministry's website (https://www.moh.gov.ae/en/default.aspx ) it says: " Individuals may bring medicine in to the country for their personal use. Up to three months supply of a prescription item can be brought in to the country by a visitor and 12-months supply by a resident if they can produce a doctor's letter or a copy of the original prescription. Narcotic items should not be brought in to the country. In exceptional cases they can be brought in to the country but only with prior permission from the director of medicine and pharmacy control who will assess the individual case. These guidelines relate to medicines brought in by an individual through an airport or border crossing and medicines arriving by post."

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PostPosted: 19:55 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one about Lemsip is bollocks, I've taken Lemsip back before with no problems. I'd be interested to see your reliable sources of information Thumbs Up The media in the United Kingdom at the moment is well known for blowing things out of proportion and making it sound a lot les appealing than it is. Fuck it, post all the stories you want, I like it and I'll always be going back for holidays and I have plans to move back out there, Vee should be able to make his own judgements about it though.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A woman I grew up with moved out there last year, she's a Spanish Teacher, although I'm not sure wether she moved out there for a job for her or wethere her other half got a job there...

She seems happy enough over there though...
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

quacker_boy wrote:
The one about Lemsip is bollocks, I've taken Lemsip back before with no problems. I'd be interested to see your reliable sources of information Thumbs Up The media in the United Kingdom at the moment is well known for blowing things out of proportion and making it sound a lot les appealing than it is. Fuck it, post all the stories you want, I like it and I'll always be going back for holidays and I have plans to move back out there, Vee should be able to make his own judgements about it though.


Its not all Lemsip its only the Lemsip that contains Ephedrine. So the British Media is on an anti Dubai conspiracy? I tend to think that you've been sheltered from the genuine crap that goes on by the censored UAE Media. The British media for all its faults is not censored by its own government.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512815/Briton-jailed-years-Dubai-customs-cannabis-weighing-grain-sugar-shoe.html
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The British media for all its faults is not censored by its own government.



Censorship here is more subtle.

If the wrong stories get in the news, pressure is brought to bare, so they dont often get in the news, or they appear then disappear quickly.

One example might be after Diana dying, some reporter on teletext, mentioned that she had recently been involved with a 'belt up in the back' campaign advocating seat belt sue.

Within hours, that no longer appeared in the article.

Another one was footage of American soldiers in the aftermath of a massacre of Iraqi civilians. Initially it was aired on the BBC, then it was downplayed, when officials put pressure on the BBC not to show something that wasnt verified independantly. Then eventually, when it could no longer be denies, they admitted it.

Internet is free of that sort of censorship of putting on pressure on an organisation to show or not show certain things.

The national media was telling us that Mr Tomlinson died from a heart attack when he coincidentally happened to be in a similar area to the protesters, and policemen had been subjected to a hail of missiles as they tried to save his life. This was the official line, that they repeated unquestioningly, until videos came to light on the internet and became widely seen, so the truth could no longer be contained. Even afterwards, there was still an attempt to justify the scenes.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
One example might be after Diana dying, some reporter on teletext, mentioned that she had recently been involved with a 'belt up in the back' campaign advocating seat belt sue.


I think that was more because it was rather insensitive rather than it being a cover up.

Either way, your post is somewhat stating the obvious col, of course the press reign themselves in when they agree with the government etc... the press are after all owned by the banks who are really in charge of the country and were the main targets of the protests. However, the Government do not employ people specifically to censor news unlike the UAE government.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

In defence of the people in Diana's car, I think the thing of not wearing seatbelts, is a standard, with VIPs and bodyguards, the idea being, that if they are ambushed, they can get out quickly if need be.

As for my views on media bias, its only obvious if you agree with my views, not everyone would.

There have to be controls on the media of what they can and can't say, but often those at the hands of these controls, use the controls to suit their own ends.

No one has an evil plot for world domination and keeping the common man down, they are just doing what they think is right and looking after their interests, and trying to avoid being ticked off by someone with a bit of power.

Its a kind of self-censorship, we see what we allow ourselves to see. We interpret what we see, in light of our experiences and beliefs.

I would agree that our censorship is less formal than somewhere like UAE, but I suspect that the more sophisticated methods we have of controlling public opinion amount to the same thing really. We just dont need a sledgehammer to crack a nut. We are British and so handle things a bit more discretely.

They have censors, we have spin-doctors.

Journalists have to say the right things if they want continued access to politicans.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:


Internet is free of that sort of censorship of putting on pressure on an organisation to show or not show certain things.



Dubai censor the interweb i think.

Quacker, i was told bikes aren't that common there, so thanks for clearing that up.
Will you be there in june?
If we like then there will be a 3 week holiday next year to do some proper research there, looking for jobs/places to live weighing up costs etc.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

vee wrote:
Quacker, i was told bikes aren't that common there, so thanks for clearing that up.
Will you be there in june?
If we like then there will be a 3 week holiday next year to do some proper research there, looking for jobs/places to live weighing up costs etc.


Very much doubt I'll be there in June dude, SHOULD be in the RAF by then if everything goes to plan. A three week holiday should give you plenty of time to look round and make your own judgements about the place Thumbs Up

Internet is censored out there but just porn really, never had any problems. There are websites to get round it though and I heard if you're in certain areas there aren't any problems.

MarJay, interesting and insightful read, thank you Thumbs Up But I'm sticking to my guns on this one, if you can't tolerate the policies of a country you want to live in then you shouldn't live there. I survived just fine out there for 18 years of my life without any kind of contact with drugs and I genuinely think i'm a better person for it. If I'd grown up over, I would of been a monumental fuck up by now Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vee, been here 8 years now,its fvcking great the credit crunch has hit hard but its mainly just crushed the building industry and estate agents so no loss there.

I have 1st hand knowlege of what happens if you get caught with any 'gear' all i can say is dont beleive all you read in the press.

As for the biking scene it aint to bad i have a busa and a bandit the only twatter is the fact that it gets to hot to ride,we have a decent track here and they are building a new one in Abu Dhabi.

Plenty of good bars and a fair bit of flange,plenty of decent roads where you can max out anything you ride or drive.

Let us know if you need any more info.

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