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PostPosted: 22:36 - 21 Apr 2009    Post subject: cz125 Help Reply with quote

I just picked one of these up with 5600 miles on the clock for just under 100 quid.

I've had an mz etz250 before so I know the general style of the bike but I have quite a few questions.

1) It's a 1985 model, I can't find the kickstart (it's dark and raining I just looked as I got it out the car.

2) theres no switch where the lights would normally be on a bike, I don't know what should be there.

3) I presume it's premix, can't find a tank

4) What sort of speed am I looking at, 60?

5) There is no key, I was just going to splice the right wires together and put a switch in the line, but a friend tells me like the mz's the keys are universal?

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PostPosted: 00:58 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: cz125 Help Reply with quote

pyroforlife wrote:
I just picked one of these up with 5600 miles on the clock for just under 100 quid.

I've had an mz etz250 before so I know the general style of the bike but I have quite a few questions.

1) It's a 1985 model, I can't find the kickstart (it's dark and raining I just looked as I got it out the car.

2) theres no switch where the lights would normally be on a bike, I don't know what should be there.

3) I presume it's premix, can't find a tank

4) What sort of speed am I looking at, 60?

5) There is no key, I was just going to splice the right wires together and put a switch in the line, but a friend tells me like the mz's the keys are universal?

Cheers
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Hah! Fool! I have one in the garden

1/ Theres little difference between the 1985, 1990 or 1960 models. I had the same problem, the kickstart is on the wrong side of the bike pretending to be something else Wink

2/ I'll take a picture of my CZs switch gear for you when I get home tomorrow.

3/ Yes

4/ If you are lucky, but I'd have a look at your tyres and brakes before travelling at such reckless speeds! Wink

5/ Key is indeed unversal - looks like a stereo jack with a spline.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi does the kickstart lever come out from the middle of the cover on the rhs?, I can't find it. Theres just the gear lever and the brake lever on each side.

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PostPosted: 08:27 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get a lot of people looking for it the first time out.

The CZ is a bit innovative - the kickstart is the gear lever.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hah, I would feel stupid now, but damn, that never occured to me!

Pyro

Edit premature, wtf, how the hell do you get it to work then?

I would presume you need the key, but thats too complex! It won't kick over, only change down a gear.

Grr these communist bikes
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It didn't me until I was told.

I've had one partially stripped in the garden for the past five years - it is pretty low on the project list, and to be honest the thought of riding it scares me, I'll be following your work on this one with interest.

Oh, if there is any coverings on the forks don't remove them under any circumstances - I took off the electrical tape that was wrapped around mine and the forks rusted to an unusable condition in no time.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
It didn't me until I was told.

I've had one partially stripped in the garden for the past five years - it is pretty low on the project list, and to be honest the thought of riding it scares me, I'll be following your work on this one with interest.

Oh, if there is any coverings on the forks don't remove them under any circumstances - I took off the electrical tape that was wrapped around mine and the forks rusted to an unusable condition in no time.


I'm not fussed about riding it as a deathtrap, I think of it as 'it'll only do 45 comfortably, so it's not going to hurt as much as a bike that will do 90 comfortably'

I'd like to get the fucking thing started first though.

Turns out theres no battery either, I beleive it's the 6v system.

So how does this kickstart work then? Is there a switch you press to turn it from gear lever to kickstart?

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PostPosted: 09:20 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should do 50mph for as long as the fuel holds out. It should be on the 6v system.

I've not kicked mine into life but I understand you can change the position of the gear lever to do so.

The bad news is that the last CZs came into the country over 10 years ago and some parts are difficult to find and need to be sourced from Germany...

The good news is that owners club is proactive and very useful.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Should do 50mph for as long as the fuel holds out. It should be on the 6v system.

I've not kicked mine into life but I understand you can change the position of the gear lever to do so.

The bad news is that the last CZs came into the country over 10 years ago and some parts are difficult to find and need to be sourced from Germany...

The good news is that owners club is proactive and very useful.



Yeah, I tried to change the position of the gear lever, just went from 1-4, nothing else.

Strange, I'm sure if stinkwheel catches sight of this thread he will be able to point me in the right direction.

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PostPosted: 10:03 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first bike with gears was an old cz125.... old workhorse, dropped so many times (13 at time).

From what I remember you have to 'push' the gear lever in (push right into casing). You should then be able to swivel up and round to normal kick start position.

Once the bike is started you simply rotate the gear lever back round as per normal (snaps into place).

Hope this helps....
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you rotate the gear lever up, from 9 o'clock to 3 o'clock, then kick it there?

[edit] what he said ^ Smile
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How to start a JAWA or CZ:

(this applies to road machines only - NOT competition models)

1. Turn on fuel tap – lever points down for normal “on” or up for reserve.

2. Allow time for carburettor float bowl to fill.

3. Depress gear lever and rotate backwards into kick start position.

4. Depress “tickler” on the top of the carburettor float bowl until fuel flows out of the hole in the top of the float bowl. (Flooding the carburettor)

5. Turn engine over twice with the kick start.

6. Insert Ignition key fully into switch. (panel lights come on)

7. Kick engine over – should start first time!



If the engine is hot do not flood carburettor.

If engine is warm try starting with no flooding if it will not start depress tickler for short period but do NOT flood carburettor.

Road bikes are difficult if not impossible to start if the battery is flat or carries a low charge. This is because the battery absorbs the charge from the dynamo before it reaches the ignition coil/s.

You can boost the battery by using jump leads from another 6 volt battery or even by using a torch battery to boost power.



From https://www.jawaczownersclub.co.uk/technical_advice9.htm
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks shaggy.

Now I've just got to

Find a seller of a key (althought any flat blade screwdriver or indeed object will do it!)
Work out what battery I need
Get it running (turns over, good compression)
Strip down the rear brake - it drags

MOT, and then unleash the powah

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PostPosted: 00:34 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

pyroforlife wrote:
1) It's a 1985 model, I can't find the kickstart (it's dark and raining I just looked as I got it out the car.

2) theres no switch where the lights would normally be on a bike, I don't know what should be there.

3) I presume it's premix, can't find a tank

4) What sort of speed am I looking at, 60?

5) There is no key, I was just going to splice the right wires together and put a switch in the line, but a friend tells me like the mz's the keys are universal?


1) Press the gear lever in and rotate it upwards like shaggy says.

2) Turn the ignition key for lights. Position 1 = sidelights. Position 2 = headlights.

3) Almost certainly. There ought to be a measurer for oil under the tank cap. One fill = 3l usually. Otherwise run at 40:1 unless someone who sounds convincing telld you different.

4) You wish.

5) Best bet for a key is from an agricultural engineers. You need a key for a Zetor tractor Wink (or a nail).

Any 6v battery. The 6v ones have a dynamo, any old shit will do the trick.

Fit new plugs. Clean the carb. Pray. Only tickle it once. Clean the points

Also:
https://www.mz-b.de
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi great to see someone getting a cz to work ,the bike will do much more than 60 ,if you want to get it shifting you need an jikov carb 26mm 1 from a 175 1 on ebay now,and put k&n filter on ,take barrel off grind out the exhaust port and clean all the edges,2mm off the inlet,take out baffle drill 2 10mm holes init, and your get 100 just about on a good day aslong as your timing is spot on and use a slighlty colder plug and use full synthetic two stroke oil,and yous super unleaded ,your find your like her then it will shift.

ohh and remember the gears are 1 up 3 down opposite too bike these days.

have fun get a haynes tells you everything how to tune it ,if you get timing good your be laughing.

also if the engine is leaking at crank cases strip the engine and ,seal it up with golden hermatite ,and make sure you put back tohether with allen bolts not them crappy flat heads yuk.
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 24 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

webhead wrote:
init, and your get 100 just about on a good day aslong as your timing is spot on and use a slighlty colder plug and use full synthetic two stroke oil,and yous super unleaded ,your find your like her then it will shift.


Webhead. If you can prove you got an ordinary CZ125 road bike (not an ISDT or ex race machine) to do anything over 80mph on the flat, I will give you £100.

This is not a bet, if you can't, you don't have to give anything to me.

I will accept a speed-trap reading from any of the UK racetracks or dragstrips. Others will be able to advise on times and locations of "run what you brung" drag/top speed days.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 24 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool man no probs give me time to finish my baby off and mot it and ill video my sat nav on bike whilst doing it ,its more acurate than a speedo,wow this will be the easyist 100 squid yet yeeeaahaaaaaaaaa.

and theres plenty of witnesses on here ,

how you gonna pay ill accept cash only lmfao
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 24 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

webhead wrote:
cool man no probs give me time to finish my baby off and mot it and ill video my sat nav on bike whilst doing it ,its more acurate than a speedo,wow this will be the easyist 100 squid yet yeeeaahaaaaaaaaa.

and theres plenty of witnesses on here ,

how you gonna pay ill accept cash only lmfao


He said a speed trap reading, not a video of your GPS.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 24 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

webhead wrote:
cool man no probs give me time to finish my baby off and mot it and ill video my sat nav on bike whilst doing it ,its more acurate than a speedo,wow this will be the easyist 100 squid yet yeeeaahaaaaaaaaa.

and theres plenty of witnesses on here ,

how you gonna pay ill accept cash only lmfao


I'm not bullshitting, but I want an accurate, third party verified reading. I'm sure Geri could put you onto a track with a good speed trap for such things.

It must be a 125cc CZ road bike. It must be road legal. Speed in excess of 80mph on the flat.

Silly to send £100 through the post. I could do a cheque.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 24 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll be interesting to see the results, but personally I'd want an independent confirmation it's 125cc, and not a CZ125 with the 175 head.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 24 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an RT125 derived 2t single. I'm pretty sure my money is safe.

There is an outside chance he might get it tuned to the extent where it'll pull 80 on the flat. It's not totally outwith the realms of possability but I bet there are only a handful of people in the country with the expertise to do so, and they will have better things to do with their time.

My Jawa (which is essentially two CZ125s joined together) at its peak had lapped in and polished heads with balanced squish bands, no base gasket, a 400cc overbore using cut down and ported +2.5 pistons, balanced crank on German bearings, electronic igntion and was running on 99 octane fuel with fully synthetic premix.

I saw 80mph on it once.

A full on Bantam racer (same basic engine design, much lighter, all extraneous parts removed) will just about hit 100mph with a full dustbin fairing, Japanese engine internals (including crank transplant) and a Wahl-Phillips fuel injector.

The reason I don't trust a video of a GPS is I have seen a mate on a standard 125 bantam doing 80mph through Glencoe... While being pushed by someone on a 650.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 11 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi no probs you probably seen restricted 1,s ,put it this way not many people know that there is a restriction in the airbox a metal tube tht retricts it alot they put this in so it didnt beat the 250 lol.

also the exhaust take baffles out,and with engine out the piston when you look through the inlet port you can see that the hole on piston isnt big enough by 2mm this also is a restriction,and smooth out the ports as the original is well crap,also if you completely strip the engine and use golden hermatite on crank cases ,put back together with allen head screws you will give it an amazing amout of power ,as from factory the cases leaked and as you know a 2 stroker need to be sealed if its going to work properly,

another good up grade to the bike is a jikov off a 250 twin ,you will have to tune the mixture to get right and also put the needle on number 2,

use these tps you can get 100 mph out a cz easy trust me.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 11 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

webhead wrote:


use these tps you can get 100 mph out a cz easy trust me.


No you can't.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 11 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My MZ ETZ 301 just about will do 80 with a thinner copper head gasket and a blowing exhaust. I doubt a 125 would approach that...
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 11 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
My MZ ETZ 301 just about will do 80 with a thinner copper head gasket and a blowing exhaust. I doubt a 125 would approach that...


A well sorted MZ250 can do around the 115-120mph mark. MZ250s have won the IOM TT before now.

That said. Walter Kaaden, the man who designed them was an engineering genius who defected to Japan where he designed the strokers that formed the basis of the modern Japanese motorcycle industry. He was limited by the tolerances of mass production techniques and the quality of materials available in the GDR. A blueprinted MZ250 is a veritable flying machine.

On the other hand, the CZ125 is a third hand copy of a 60 year old motorcycle design made using inferior materials and a communist work ethic of making as many motorcycles as possible as cheaply as possible. Merit being calculated directly by the number of motorcycles coming out of the factory, not how good they are.
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