All 12 North West terror suspects released

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[cheesyleps]

I don't know where to stand on this one.

Either it was yet another gross screw-up by the intelligence services, these guys were completely innocent, and now face deportation for no reason.

Or, on the other hand, they were actually involved in something but were tipped off in time by the photograph of Assistant Commissioner Quick carrying an intelligence dossier in plain sight.

Either way, they were detained for 13 days without charge. Civil Liberties? They only matter when we are criticising other countries!
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[Itchy]

Or as many predicted it was done as a distraction for the G20 protest violence or as a cover for the Smear stories.
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[Skudd]

Or their civil rights are being adhered to and time has run out to gain the information required to hold them longer. So there may be information and evidence about them but not long enough to hold them and seeing under the terrorism act they can't be bailed the only alternative is to release them. I was listening to a solicitor representing a few of them and he was saying that all the rules have been strictly adhered to with regards the treatment of his clients. In the same report the police had said that they had run out of time to collate information to be able to hold and question further the suspects and had to release them.

So the police had intelligence that they were being naughty,
They tried to get hard evidence but there wasn't enough to bring charges for one reason or another.
The suspects were let go.
They will probably get a few quid in their back pockets for the inconvenience too.

The trouble with the terrorism thing is unlike burglary or say car crimes you can't get the hard evidence quickly, you can't let the act be carried out and catch them later with all the evidence at hand, you need to intervene late enough to get as much info as possible but early enough so that they can't act out their crime.

I know when I used to monitor people we would get some information, we would look into the information given, set up monitoring equipment and then wait for the person to commit the crime. Only when we had evidence of them doing the crime would we act, unfortunately if it was terrorism it is too late when things go bang.

Terrorism is a very hard crime to prove before the act, but a very easy crime to commit. That is what puts the terror into terrorism.

Some may say what about the 12's civil liberties. I ask what about mine?
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They were suspected of a crime and were arrested, whats the problem, happens to hundreds of people everyday!?


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[Itchy]

Well it has been proven time and again that the UK government will play politics with the police. Ie the de menezes affair where all the CCTV footage mysteriously vanished.

Also the lies told about Tomlinson's death at the G20 protests.

Or the lets deploy tanks at heathrow airport to cow the population into supporting the Iraq war.

On that note lets lie to go to war with Iraq!.

Or the political arrest of Damien Green in effect political prisoners.

And that is just a very small example there are 100s.

Ever hear of the story of the boy who cried wolf?, the government has cried wolf far too many times and thus there might well be a real wolf but people have been turned cynical about this.

If it was lower key ie instead of Brown standing up and on TV announcing that a serious credible and REAL terrorist attack has been averted then I would be less cynical of their motives.

A serious and credible threat is if you find detailed plans and or explosives and when I say that I don't mean everyday items you can make explosives out of since that is grasping at straws.

However since brown did stand up and say those things it makes you think it was a politics play that was done to distract attention away from the G20 and or the email smears thing , this is the kicker and this is the controversial bit.
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[scorps]

I was under the impression that they were here on student visas but none of them were actually attending a college but working as security guards!

I would think that suspicious in itself regardless of any intelligence crap
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[cheesyleps]

Sure, none of them were students. That's why two of them were arrested at gunpoint at the Liverpool John Moores University Library. Definetly something dodgy going on there!

Two of the twelve weren't on student visas (one was a British Citizen) and two of them were arrested in Clitheroe whilst working as security guards. It isn't specified whether these two were the non students.

Also, I hate to point it out, but an awful lot of students have to do part time work to make ends meet whilst studying.
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