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 Posted: 21:56 - 27 Apr 2009 Post subject: Anyone got swine flu? |
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Well?
The media says we'll all be dead by lunchtime  |
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I'm soooo tempted to go to Tesco and buy 300 odd cans of baked beans.
Interestingly the strain of Flu H1N1 is the same as the famed "spanish flu" of 1918. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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So the fact that I am old, fat and unhealthy means I am ok.....Hurrah  |
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You know after all this I've come out in a bit of a rasher, maybe I need some oinkment....
Worst 'current related' txt joke I've had ever.
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There was something about this I read about a few months ago.
In that such flu is more lethal to younger people due to the fact that their immune systems are more powerful which is what kills them , in that some sort of histamine reaction occurs pumping a defence chemical into the blood large amounts of it which as a side effect causes the lungs to fill up with fluid.
If you are older the reaction is slower and less effective such that you can choke the fluid back out of your lungs with little problem , while the younger people have to have tubes stuffed into their lungs for it to be drained out.
Stick a bloke on a ventilator/lung draining machine and he is ok, the big problem is the lack of ventilators , in that the NHS has barely any excess capacity now. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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| Itchy wrote: | There was something about this I read about a few months ago.
In that such flu is more lethal to younger people due to the fact that their immune systems are more powerful which is what kills them , in that some sort of histamine reaction occurs pumping a defence chemical into the blood large amounts of it which as a side effect causes the lungs to fill up with fluid.
If you are older the reaction is slower and less effective such that you can choke the fluid back out of your lungs with little problem , while the younger people have to have tubes stuffed into their lungs for it to be drained out.
Stick a bloke on a ventilator/lung draining machine and he is ok, the big problem is the lack of ventilators , in that the NHS has barely any excess capacity now. |
AKA a cytokine storm, kind of like a nut allergy but it's more to do with pro-inflammatory mediators called cytokines rather than mass histamine release caused by degranulation of mast cells.
I can't help but think the "hygiene hypothesis" might have something to do with it as well, in that less exposure to pathogens and viruses leave our immune system incapable of mounting an effective response a first presentation, but thats just my take on it.
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If you want to be a doomsayer you should complain about how CLEAN Britain is, and hence we will all die.
Living in (moderatley) unhygenic conditions strengthens your immune system  |
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| GhostRider wrote: | I can't help but think the "hygiene hypothesis" might have something to do with it as well, in that less exposure to pathogens and viruses leave our immune system incapable of mounting an effective response a first presentation, but thats just my take on it. |
One of my favourite theories and seemingly being borne out by the prevalence of allergies among children these days. Would love to see some statistics on the increase in allergies over the past two hundred years.
Mentioned this hypothesis to one of the fillipino officers I was sailing with recently. In the Phillippines they have a saying "Only the rich can afford to have allergies."
It may not even be a side effect of hygiene, it could purely be a side effect of modern medicine interfering with natural selection. Before modern medicine, if you got ill, you either died or survived. If you survive, you probably have a better immune system than those that died and were able to pass this on to your offspring.
Ergo, the weak perish and the strong survive. Now, if you have a weak immune system, modern medicine can cure you and you pass that weak system on to the next generation.
To go back to the filipino wisdom, you don't see poor people with allergies because they are already dead. They don't have the right genetic traits to survive in their environment, therefore they die and don't pass on their DNA.
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Natural selection at it's simplest and most elegant. |
Not quite. Flu viruses by themselves are natural selection at its most elegant, seriously cool things.
When this strain mutates to be more virulent, then I'll concern myself. The problem is, it wouldn't take much.
Anyhew, allergies are best thought of as a bored immune system. Ever notice you can guess which kids/adults have allergies normally, on the basis of them being 'nerdy'.
This is I believe is more to do with over protective parents, who try to get rid of all possible germs and discourage dirty play.
I will healthily encourage my children to eat their snot for a start, its an impulse for a reason. ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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| cheesyleps wrote: | | GhostRider wrote: | I can't help but think the "hygiene hypothesis" might have something to do with it as well, in that less exposure to pathogens and viruses leave our immune system incapable of mounting an effective response a first presentation, but thats just my take on it. |
One of my favourite theories and seemingly being borne out by the prevalence of allergies among children these days. Would love to see some statistics on the increase in allergies over the past two hundred years.
Mentioned this hypothesis to one of the fillipino officers I was sailing with recently. In the Phillippines they have a saying "Only the rich can afford to have allergies."
It may not even be a side effect of hygiene, it could purely be a side effect of modern medicine interfering with natural selection. Before modern medicine, if you got ill, you either died or survived. If you survive, you probably have a better immune system than those that died and were able to pass this on to your offspring.
Ergo, the weak perish and the strong survive. Now, if you have a weak immune system, modern medicine can cure you and you pass that weak system on to the next generation.
To go back to the filipino wisdom, you don't see poor people with allergies because they are already dead. They don't have the right genetic traits to survive in their environment, therefore they die and don't pass on their DNA.
Natural selection at it's simplest and most elegant. |
Sorry for the strange hi-jack, but who do you work for lol |
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Mentioned this hypothesis to one of the fillipino officers I was sailing with recently. In the Phillippines they have a saying "Only the rich can afford to have allergies."
It may not even be a side effect of hygiene, it could purely be a side effect of modern medicine interfering with natural selection. Before modern medicine, if you got ill, you either died or survived. If you survive, you probably have a better immune system than those that died and were able to pass this on to your offspring.
Ergo, the weak perish and the strong survive. Now, if you have a weak immune system, modern medicine can cure you and you pass that weak system on to the next generation.
To go back to the filipino wisdom, you don't see poor people with allergies because they are already dead. They don't have the right genetic traits to survive in their environment, therefore they die and don't pass on their DNA. |
An interesting disease is Leprosy, because depending on how your immune system reacts to it, depends on the type of disease you get. If your immune response is primarily what is called a "Th1 subset" response, you develop Tuberculoid Leprosy, for which there is some damage to the skin and peripheral nerves with slow progression and long term survial. Conversely, if the immune response is primarily a "Th2 subset" response, you get lepromatous leprosy and it spreads like a bastard causing extensive damage to the whole body.
Incidentally, it is the same Th2 subset that is involved in allergies and hypersensitivity reactions.
Interesting take on the effects of modern medicine, hadn't thought about it like that before.
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If you're interested by that, have a look for stuff regarding hookworm infections 'curing' asthma.
It's quite widely known, although they're not certain why yet (well, back when I first heard about it, it may have changed now).
'Robert Desovitz - Tales of Jewish grandmothers and tapeworms' covers it at one point and is a great book if you like tropical diseases Very dry humour too  ____________________ China traffic/travel bike vid - When I make a sweeping statement, please add the word 'statistically' in to the sentence before you bitch...
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 179 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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