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PostPosted: 22:07 - 27 Apr 2009    Post subject: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

Rotherhams new bike test center had five tests today. four of those candidates failed with two of the four crashing and one of the those ending up in hospital.

A few instructors were saying that the high speed avoidance manoeuver was dangerous in the wet.

Best of luck to all those yet to take the new test just hope it not raining for you.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 27 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha oh lord. Let's hope that remains an isolated case.

And yeah, I can see what they mean. Still dependant on experience though I guess unless it has to be done in a certain way that could be deemed as dangerous in the wet..
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
Rotherhams new bike test center had five tests today. four of those candidates failed with two of the four crashing and one of the those ending up in hospital.

A few instructors were saying that the high speed avoidance manoeuver was dangerous in the wet.

Best of luck to all those yet to take the new test just hope it not raining for you.


Aye. There was a report on the local TV News programme about it.
The poor guy broke his arm in two places.
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

Towton '61 wrote:

Aye. There was a report on the local TV News programme about it.
The poor guy broke his arm in two places.


Blimey, when I took my test I didn't break my arm in any places at all, let alone two.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I ever lose my license... I'm definitely re-taking it in a car! Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

Tristan the wrote:
Towton '61 wrote:

Aye. There was a report on the local TV News programme about it.
The poor guy broke his arm in two places.


Blimey, when I took my test I didn't break my arm in any places at all, let alone two.

Laughing Haha.

Still, I guess if this occurs quite often (crashing on the test in the rain) then they may have to rethink that portion of the test.
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it that hard?
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PostPosted: 05:49 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad_man wrote:
is it that hard?

To set up the course looks impossible!
https://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/MPTC/2009/dsa_motorcycle_manoeuvre_diagram_mptc.pdf
https://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/MPTC/2009/dsa_mc_diagram_manoeuvring_layout.pdf
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PostPosted: 07:10 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any reduction of the population in Rotherham can only be a good thing Very Happy
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh my
we live near and got told lincoln was nearest test center
so that info is wrong, mind hearing this, I wont be in a rush to book my test !!!
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
A few instructors were saying that the high speed avoidance manoeuver was dangerous in the wet.
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But a lot of the time the roads we ride on are wet.......

So in reality doing this in the wet is the best test yet, for bike control....
It is pointless people passing the test, because its too easy. Only then to become a statistic when something happens, due to the fact they are unable to control their bike in the wet....

Perhaps if ALL instructors were saying something, it might be looked at.
Maybe they should have a go and see how they find it, before passing comment.

The only issue would be if the tarmac is not upto the same grip quality as the roads, or is so new its still seeping oil in the wet....
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
New test starts well in Rotherham


I just knew before even clicking that this was sarcasm. And it's supposed to be difficult to infer sarcasm from typed text. Must be because it's related to the new test and pretty much every bit of news about it is bad Sad
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the diagram, if a person (me) had to do it without stopping I'd just forget where I was in the process. My memory might be shit but my riding isn't to bad, (which is to say; I'm still alive after 3 years...)

Who's done a test in the wet? Or will they start cancelling tests if it's damp as they won't be able to administer that part effectively.

Like the car test, its not the best method. 40 odd minutes under test circumstances focusing on doing things by rote. An extended test (not unlike the CBT) would be far more useful, (would be my view...)

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PostPosted: 14:23 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
wizzzard wrote:
A few instructors were saying that the high speed avoidance manoeuver was dangerous in the wet.
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But a lot of the time the roads we ride on are wet.......

So in reality doing this in the wet is the best test yet, for bike control....
It is pointless people passing the test, because its too easy. Only then to become a statistic when something happens, due to the fact they are unable to control their bike in the wet....

Perhaps if ALL instructors were saying something, it might be looked at.
Maybe they should have a go and see how they find it, before passing comment.

The only issue would be if the tarmac is not upto the same grip quality as the roads, or is so new its still seeping oil in the wet....


I did my test in the snow. I came off in the snow 2 years later. The test doesn't mean you are a fully fledged biker, it's only there to give you a head start on learning how to ride.

I was speaking to an instructor about this some time ago, and he said it's going to be impossible to teach people that part of the test. I'm sure when more accidents start happening it will get scrapped.

'High speed avoidance' is more down to luck than skill, that's why the test is there to teach you about obs. I've had a few 'nearlys' due to poor obs (we all do sometimes), and I can honestly say that if you asked me to replicate the maneuvers I have done, I wouldn't be able to. Split second decisions are just that, instinct takes over.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt they can claim its all for the good in improving safety on the road. Now all they've got to do is get the off road safety bit right.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely these kind of manoeuvres come with experience? Because a new rider has probably just got used to riding properly let alone doing more difficult things.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:55 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:

The test doesn't mean you are a fully fledged biker, it's only there to give you a head start on learning how to ride.


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i would say what you learn on the test only counts for a small fraction of what a 'biker' needs to know to stay alive.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
But a lot of the time the roads we ride on are wet.......

So in reality doing this in the wet is the best test yet, for bike control....


While it is true the roads are wet sometimes, the idea is that when conditions are poor you take account of it and increase you margins for error. As such giving someone the same manoevre test in the wet as they would be given in the dry seems a bit pointless.

Or to turn your argument on its head, the roads are often wet, so why should people be given an easier test when they happen to have it on a dry day?

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PostPosted: 16:29 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just gonna say the same Keith. If it's wet then surely is should be a not-so-high-speed avoidance maneuver.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A few instructors were saying that the high speed avoidance manoeuver was dangerous in the wet
...well i never Rolling Eyes

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It might seem totally obvious to you but the DSA seems to have missed the danger and thats the point Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok hyperthetical...I've done my CBT..Where am i to practise this manoeuvre?
And, not all Bike Trainers have off road facilities.

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PostPosted: 16:48 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust the goverment to help put more compaines out of business,

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PostPosted: 17:48 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Re: New test starts well in Rotherham Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
Rotherhams new bike test center


They moved it from across the road from clifton park?
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 28 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

that course doesn't actually look too hard, just remembering it would be a cnut though, would be ok if it was painted on all the floors instead of just cones, they all just fade into 1 big blur sometimes

moaning about having a wet test is a bit stupid imo, if you're not confident enough to take a wet test then you shouldn't be riding, what if you get caught in a massive down pour? (happened to me 3 times before i took my test which probably helped me pass)

the only hard thing for a new rider would be the slalom bit and even that should be a doddle, before i took my test i used to slalom between drains just for avoidance practise

best thing about it is that you don't have to do the u-turns and E-stops on the public roads where you can get failed cause some idiot speeds down the road

maybe the 4 who failed were just massively incompetent?
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