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PostPosted: 22:49 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: YZF-R125 derestriction Reply with quote

hi
can you derestrict a Yamaha YZF-R125 which improves the speed quite a lot, i have read a few things and its says that because of electrics and the fact its 4 stroke that you cant derestrict it.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 20 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's full power as standard. If you want to go quicker buy a 2 stroke or a bigger bike.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 21 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

no offence but for what you get with them r125 there a total rip off !! nearly 3grand for what ? ok it looks orite but thats bout it..........
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 21 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it your first bike?, 3k+ for what they are is a bit steep, and as far as i know..stock is full power, unless you wanna get a new exhaust system to add maybe a few bhp...all you can do i believe.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 22 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rottweiler wrote:
no offence but for what you get with them r125 there a total rip off !! nearly 3grand for what ? ok it looks orite but thats bout it..........


Selling well though
plus they make a fortune selling replacement:
Stickers;
Fairing
Mirrors
Indicators

Smile

Designed to look nice, pretty quick for a 125 4 stroke. Will get 80+ on the clocks in good (favourable) weather conditions

Aimed at the people that buy them. Expensive yes. But 17 / 18, first 125 bike, parents are willing to buy one for you... You wouldnt pick the CBR125 would you, i have had push bikes bigger than them Smile

(not dissing the CBR125, but it is a small bike)
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 23 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

deanoet wrote:
You wouldnt pick the CBR125 would you, i have had push bikes bigger than them Smile

(not dissing the CBR125, but it is a small bike)


The CBR125 aint a bad bike....

once you've took the stabilisers off! Wink Razz


If you're Yammy 125s performance is starting to feel disappointing, do your A2/DAS, polish it up, sell it to someone young who's similarly blown away by its good looks, and buy a bigger, faster bike.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
It's full power as standard. If you want to go quicker buy a 2 stroke or a bigger bike.

Wrong, It has a catalytic converter in the front bit of the pipe, theres a baffle in the can too.
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PostPosted: 03:00 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
chris-red wrote:
It's full power as standard. If you want to go quicker buy a 2 stroke or a bigger bike.

Wrong, It has a catalytic converter in the front bit of the pipe, theres a baffle in the can too.
HTH


JUst like every other current prodcution bike, you wouldn't call buying a full system for a new CBR derestriction.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:


JUst like every other current prodcution bike, you wouldn't call buying a full system for a new CBR derestriction.

I would as the stock equipment is restricting exhaust flow, and air boxes restrict air flow both sapping power to conform to regulations.
But i understand what angle your coming from, but the RS125s are restricted an a very similair fashion.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I would call that tuning rather than just derestricting.

A well designed cat should flow fine and not really restrict power. A well designed airbox will give you power, and dumping the airbox on most modern bikes is likely to lose you power.

The RS is restricted by replacing the power valve with a blanking plate.

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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I would call that tuning rather than just derestricting.

A well designed cat should flow fine and not really restrict power. A well designed airbox will give you power, and dumping the airbox on most modern bikes is likely to lose you power.

The RS is restricted by replacing the power valve with a blanking plate.

All the best

Keith

Its not just that though is it, pipes have baffles in the chamber and the carb needs a different jet with a different airbox lid on the RS.
Like i said though, it depends on which angle you look at it doesnt it.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Those are not really restriction though (no more than saying it is restricted by not being fitted with nitrous). I would call changing those tuning at which point power largely comes down to how much money you want to spend.

I would say derestricting is removing the restrictions the factory put in place to limit power / speed.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:00 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Those are not really restriction though (no more than saying it is restricted by not being fitted with nitrous). I would call changing those tuning at which point power largely comes down to how much money you want to spend.

I would say derestricting is removing the restrictions the factory put in place to limit power / speed.

All the best

Keith

But isnt changing a restricted CDI tuning too? as your boosting power/speed? Confused
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:

But isnt changing a restricted CDI tuning too? as your boosting power/speed? Confused


To me if the use of the dodgy cdi was to restrict power / speed then I would call that derestricting. If it was done to get it through emissions / work on UK fuel / fiddle the noise test then I would say it is tuning.

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PostPosted: 12:18 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we can agree we look at it from different perspectives? Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
I think we can agree we look at it from different perspectives? Laughing


Maybe. I see derestricting as removing a specific restriction put in to limit power on a bike designed to go rather more quickly. Basically the 186mph speed limit, old 9kW learner limit, current 11kW learner limit and the 30mph moped limit. After that I regard it as tuning.

Hence as the YZF-R125 is only designed to produce 11kW, not designed to produce a shed load more and then restricted down to it, there isn't really anything to restrict.

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PostPosted: 12:25 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well in a way derestricing bikes is performance tuning then?...
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
Well in a way derestricing bikes is performance tuning then?...


Possibly, but only a very limited subset. If it hasn't been restricted down to a level then you cannot really derestrict it.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:34 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna fit a Turbo to the Speed Four to derestrict the intake...
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I'm gonna fit a Turbo to the Speed Four to derestrict the intake...

I was waiting for that, but that would be tuning in my eyes. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 10 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could pop in a big bore, but if your riding a 125, then im assuming your early/late 17, so you cant yet Razz
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 26 Sep 2009    Post subject: yamaha yzf r 125 deresticting/tuning Reply with quote

Hi,after reading the posts on this subject and feeling a bit miffed,i thought i should contribute a little as i feel comments along the lines of paying a lot of money for the type of bike,get a bigger bike and the likes are to be kind,both crass and off point.
From experiance on type i would make these comments and also dispell the myths on cats cdi units and the like.
Fact; some cats perform better than others but all cats without exception impede performance in simple form,the better a cylinder head flows [intakes and exhales] the greater the performance,period,cats restrict exhaust gas removal because firstly they cause a positive exhaust gas pressure between the cat and the exhaust manifold[not good for head gas flow] and then there are a dozen other reasons i won,t bore you with unless pressed.
The cdi unit in this case,is coupled to digital fuel mapping and factory fixed set to give optimum performance whilst achieving emissions compliance,hence it is possible to gain considerable power by removing the cat and tricking this unit to perform better,i will explain the mods i have done and the power gains a little later run out of space on this post.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 26 Sep 2009    Post subject: yamaha yzf r 125 derestict/tuning Reply with quote

FOLLOW ON FROM PREVIOUS POST.

Ok,my sons bike,09 model with 1800 miles,standard bike,power run on dyno,14.2 kw 74 mph.
Mods done,cat removed, exhaust manifold matched to cyl head,inlet intake re worked and matched to inlet port, road run for 50 miles then second dyno run 15,7 kw 83 mph.

After re think and speaking with yam technical,stock bike has ignition retarded by 4 degrees to eleviate engine knock because of high cylinder head temps from low octane fuel and heat build up from cat.

Second mods put inline electronic filter between ignition sensor and cdi to gain 5 degrees of ignition advance by delaying ignition signal [confusing the cdi],changed fuel to optimax[shell V power] and added octane booster.

Further power run on dyno 17.2 kw 91 mph with a improved 40 mph to 70 mph over stock just shy of 4 seconds quicker.

More devolpment now,i have a spare engine in bits doing a lot of technical calculations and measurements,so far i have found that the camshaft has plenty of lift but is shy on duration on both the inlet and exhaust side,so needs reprofiling plus i have,nt done anything with the electronic fueling yet,so will keep you posted as devolpments are made.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 26 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't take much notice of any power readings given by a dyno operator who actually thinks potential top speed and acceleration can be measured on one.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 26 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also dosnt it change depending on whos dyno it is, so if your operator isnt the best your readings could be total bollocks.
But thats not even road speed so any headwind etc then say bye bye to all your hard hours of graft to gain 15mph from a 125.
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