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What caused you to crash when taking a corner too fast?
Tried to go around but was too fast & went wide
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Tried to go around but was too fast & bike slid out
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Tried to brake but lost traction and bike slid out
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Braked and went wide
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Other (please explain)
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Mellow Matt
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: How you've crashed... Reply with quote

I was wondering what the main cause of people crashing on corners was. It seems that in most situations if you're going too fast for a corner you should just man up and try to get it around, rather than trying to brake, but I thought I'd see if that's what most people do and how successful that is... So if you've crashed on a corner, how'd it happen?
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other. It was icy.
Other than that I've always managed to correct my corners (usually from remembering sage advice from the good lads on here Thumbs Up ), of course that means it is now only a matter of time...
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the warped one wrote:
Bike took flight last October on a wet corner, whilst following my old man, I managed to clear a ditch and ended up in a hedge. So the GT really is a hedge seeking missile lol.

Cheers

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You took off?! How'd that happen?

It looks at the moment that if you're going in too fast then just countersteering a bit more is indeed the way to go, good to know Smile
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted other,

I went round one of my fave corners on my new SRAD and ended up with target fixation, went wide, paniced and hit the brakes, causeing the bike to stand upright mid apex, i hit the curb which make me chest the tank, breaking my 6th left rib which then punctured my spleen. i was knocked out at this point, everything else is unkown, woke up half dead, not breathing.

I was knelt on my broken right hip, my broken shoulder blade (left) and my paralysed arm lay across the tail section of my bike with me face down on my tank.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

other ... horseshit on the road
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Lonewolf & Warped - do you think you'd have made it if you'd had just countersteered around the corner more?
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit: I should learn to read too... I haven't actually crashed from any of these, just at the time felt like I very nearly did.

I always feel bad posting where I have nearly died because they are always stupid mistakes which I'd like to think I wouldn't do any more...
  • Racing a KTM, he overtook on some double whites, I wasn't going to knowing I had a long straight to overtake. I did the overtake and carried on overtaking nothing while catching up to the bus... coming to the end of the straight now, flat out 100mph (on clocks). Now at the end of the straight is a left hander. As I start to overtake said bus I know I can't see round this corner and that I am going be overtaking the bus while go round it. Take the risk... and two cars are coming the other way. Half way past this bus and the cars are getting way to close for comfort. Infront of and pull across with about (well felt like) 30m to spare from a 150mph head on crash (assuming they where going 50mph- the speed limit the other way). Sat myself I did.
  • Going round a corner at a reasonable pace, big dollop of horse shit in the middle of my line, cue me avoiding that and becoming very close to crossing the white line while a car was coming round the corner to. The old man in the car nearly decked his car into the hedge from fright.
  • One of my first few rides out on my hornet, go into a corner well to fast (well at the time it felt like it), target fixation braking hard total wrong side of the road. At the time I totally shat myself and thought I was going to put it into the hedge or a car was going to come round the corner.
  • Going onto a motorway from a round-a-bout, 2 lanes on, I want to head North up the M6 which means the first junction of the slip road. I know the actual slip road has two lanes, lorry in left hand lane of the road, I assumed (never assume) he was going North and that I could go infront of him by taking the second lane on the road and then onto the second lane of the slip road overtaking the slow lorry. The lorry wasn't going North and was heading for the south slip road. Queue me being an idiot and cutting infront of this none turning lorry to go down the North slip road, it felt like the lorry was 2 meters from t-boning me. Why I did this I will never know
So yeah I'm an idiot Neutral
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mellow Matt wrote:
So Lonewolf & Warped - do you think you'd have made it if you'd had just countersteered around the corner more?

My failure was not due to my posistion or riding technique, it was my mind that had caught me out like it had tried days before.

If i wouldnt of been thinking "i'm going to hit that curb" i wouldnt of looked at it, an i would of made it to the next swooping right hander.

Counter steering is by far the best way to speed up your cornering.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temperature dropped so much that black ice formed across the road approaching the corner.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mellow Matt wrote:
So Lonewolf & Warped - do you think you'd have made it if you'd had just countersteered around the corner more?


All the track instructors tell you to just try and lean more. If you watch really skilled riders, you see just how tightly they can turn fast corners, the bikes generally on good surfaces got ALOT more to give than you might think.

However....in practice you'll most likely panic, stand the bike up though braking and find the nearest (hopefully) hedge!
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

AngelGrinder wrote:
Mellow Matt wrote:
So Lonewolf & Warped - do you think you'd have made it if you'd had just countersteered around the corner more?


All the track instructors tell you to just try and lean more. If you watch really skilled riders, you see just how tightly they can turn fast corners, the bikes generally on good surfaces got ALOT more to give than you might think.

However....in practice you'll most likely panic, stand the bike up though braking and find the nearest (hopefully) hedge!


Yeah that's what I'd read, just wanted to see if that's what most people have experienced too. I don't really push very hard on the road, so haven't really been in this situation. I'm looking to do a trackday or two this year though, hopefully it'll let me see what I'm capable of (less than the bike is capable of undoubtedly!)
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1/ going round bend on unlit road, suddenly came across a lorry load of sand dumped outside someones house (on the road)
Sudden stop as front wheel buries itself in the sand and i go over bars followed by bike

2/ not really a crash but still fooked off the bike, doing burnout/dohnuts, bike gripped fiercely to probably a white line and next thing i know i'm off

Do 60 thousand miles a year on bikes and can't believe the total stupidity of some people, overtaking on blind bends, double white lines etc, fair enough bikes are for taking risks but continuing like that is a sure way to die in a very messy way

Don't get me wrong, i'm a courier and i'm very often (most days) heading somewhere at 140mph, undertaking and filtering but at least see where you are heading before you are heading there
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my only off *touchwood* was about 5 - 10mph, ice, chucked me off. More of a dent in my pride lol.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voted other: Lack of Talent

(Target Fixation)
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went around a bend a bit quick, got target fixation, stood the bike up, ended up where I was looking.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Re: How you've crashed... Reply with quote

In good conditions you can brake surprisingly hard with the front brake while still leant over. However, you do have to fight to keep the bike leant over a bit.

Including track-crashes, I've done them all, at some point.
Had front end go on braking, rear end go on power (and front end too, oddly). Have just gone too fast around corners. Not sure I've crashed because of braking and running wide, but have crashed by doing a stoppy mid-corner once (which perhaps shows how much grip you can have - though I wasn't /that/ leant over by this point, but leant over enough to land it very crossed-up).
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

was goin about 4mph, went to put my foot down to turn round at the end of a street, jeans got caught on my pegs and over i went!
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the warped one wrote:
Ermm came into quick, stupidly snatched the front brake, as it stood up, I pulled it back down, the rear swung, both wheels lifted from the changes in balance and 3... 2... 1... We have lift off. Went through sideways, total damage:-


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PostPosted: 23:36 - 12 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tristan the wrote:
the warped one wrote:
Ermm came into quick, stupidly snatched the front brake, as it stood up, I pulled it back down, the rear swung, both wheels lifted from the changes in balance and 3... 2... 1... We have lift off. Went through sideways, total damage:-


Eh Confused


you know man.... Idea

when you turn left and right quickly, both wheels take off and you start flying!! Wink
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't recall ever having actually crashed going round a corner. Other than lowsiding on dirt tracks while riding a road bike which is more a lesson in physics than an actual crash.

I've had a few near misses but always got away with it.

I've come off on overbanding on the exit from a corner a couple of times which is a case of loosing traction the abruptly regaining it again.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bramble43 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, i'm a courier and i'm very often (most days) heading somewhere at 140mph, undertaking and filtering but at least see where you are heading before you are heading there


I VERY much doubt it.

Oh and you have either just lost or are about to lose the MOD contract.

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PostPosted: 01:16 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other first time was because of lack of Talent I went in too hot and bailed out and slamed on the brakes and went into the hedge. I'm 90% sure I could easily go round it faster now.

The second time somone reserved out of there driveway and hit me.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

going round a right hander and noticed my old bike going off a little side road to the left, looked back and im way off line.

hit the grass verge, thought i could still save it but ended up going into a dip and out the other side (this is where me and the bike parted company), landed on my head and as i flipped my helmet came off, bike landed on the front wheel about a foot from my head and flipped over me end to end style, i took out a few small shrubs and nettles.

so target fixation? as i was on the perfect line entering corner and had taken te same corner 100 times before at faster speeds.
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