Settle a racing argument....

pablouk · Trackday Trickster Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Karma :

If I was behind a car in a race, coming into a tight righthander, I manage to come out of the corner a bit quicker and go round the outside and come up to the left of the other car now level with it, now coming up to a fast long lefthander. As we go into the left hander the car to my right collides into me as he trys to follow the normal line,except I'm now there. Whos fault is it? Should I back off even though we neck and neck and I'm now on inside? Or should he A. try to stay side by side through the corner or B. back off and tuck in behind cos I now got the inside (racing) line??
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The999Kid · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Karma :

Its his fault... you had the line therefore its his responsibility to back off and fit in with the flow..
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Luke_Retrofly · Silly Lesbian Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Karma :

You dont have to do anything in racing, its all about whos got the biggest balls, not the racing line.

If you crash its normally a racing incident, unless blatant.

..... · Quote Me Happy Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Karma :

You have the line - Siggi in a strop is he? Wink

What game is this?

Drew · Banned Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Karma :

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pablouk · Trackday Trickster Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Karma :

Hetzer · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Karma :

I had the line and was on it, Pablo was alongside me and didn't back off as we reached the apex together. My argument is that he should be the one to back off as

a) I had the line.
b) I'd been in front.
c) Pablo had better situational awareness than me (he knew where I was, I had no clue where he was).

Regardless of the line, I maintain that the person behind has responsibility for avoiding the person in front (pretty much per normal road rules), even if he has drawn alongside. The person in front cannot know where the person who was behind is, whereas the person who was behind knows exactly where the person in front is AND should know where he's likely to go.

We both got wrecked, then spent the next 30 minutes shouting ourselves hoarse over skype. Laughing

Problem is, Pablo is a master of PC and console racing-games, but has no real-world experience of breakneck road-craft or track useage. He therefore loses any argument by default. Razz

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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

I don't know how it works in *actual* racing, but at trackdays they always say its the person behinds responsibility to overtake safely. Especially when you have no mirrors on your bike. They tell us that this is the same in racing but that could be something they just say to make you ride safely.
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Suitor_Stu · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Karma :

Paint diagram or it didn't happen Laughing

Hetzer · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Karma :

pablouk · Trackday Trickster Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Karma :

https://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp315/pablouk_bucket/untitled-1.jpg

I am blue.Behind Hetzer as we approach the hairpin corner. I swing out wide and faster exiting the first corner to bring me level. We both approach the fast lefthander side by side..... Collision occurs as Hetzer continues to squeeze to the apex whilst I am on the inside.
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Steve H · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Oct 2003 Karma :

Bugger the racing line argument, it's the gravel trap that you need to be worried about...

https://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/steveqpr/offline.jpg

Wink

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Skudd · Super Spammer Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Karma :

Should have used MSPSL. Obvious really.
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Vin · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Karma :

Looks like Brands Hatch
Oh and play nicely boys and girls Laughing

Hetzer · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Karma :

pablouk · Trackday Trickster Joined: 18 Jun 2007 Karma :

Class mate Wink

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Hetzer · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Karma :

McGee · O RLY? Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Karma :

What game is this?
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Its pronounced Jixxer!

Hetzer · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Karma :

L3G3ND_MTX · Spanner Monkey Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Karma :

That looks more like the noober ring to me with the hair-pin going downhill going uphill into a turn.

Is a bloody good game, shame you have it on pc and not xbox, id give you both a wooping if it was on xbox Laughing

Id say who ever got to the corner first was in the right, i mean on that game hit the hand-brake and slide it around dont need to worry about the racing line, u can go just as fast sliding the rear in and ramming on power going out.

Ive tryed and tested this method going round it properly and round sliding, both the same, so just get there first, if someone is in your way, BREAK THERE CAR! Thumbs Up

All is fair in love and war (or on track in this situation)

Hetzer · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Karma :

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Mellow Matt · Scooby Slapper Joined: 14 Oct 2007 Karma :

I'd say pablo's in the right, he can't go any more left or he'd be on the grass, so Hetzer'd have to give way.

Bit like how here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNsL3_QRaFQ everyone reckons Schumacher's wrong (although it's a bit different as Schumacher went off a bit first).
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Luke_Retrofly · Silly Lesbian Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Karma :

When racing the person behind is resposible for the person infront.

However its quite fair to make a block pass if you can get part of your vehicle in their view.

I made lots of overtakes by "showing" my front wheel along side another rider, then cuting them off as as we turned into the corner.

Obviously if they havent seen you you will crash, so you have to make sure your close enough.

But in nearly every case the outside person would let the guy on the inside go through. (Obviously with long brakeing points this can change as the guy on the outside could breake later and still take the place).

As I said theres no right or wrong, just who's braver. How that works in a game I dont know?

I guess you can lose the place or get caught up in an accident, thats the choice.

I was racing rFactor at the weekend and caused a crash in a similar incident (I had inside line, outside guy turned in on me). The race stewards put it down as a racing incident and I didnt get a penalty. Smile

Luke