HEAD Emergency Helmet Removal

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Not seen it mentioned on here, but I think it's a great idea.

What do you guys think?

https://www.superbike.co.uk/news/HEAD_emergency_helmet_removal_device_news_280539.html

It's basically a small circular saw to cut the front off to maintain the rider's airways without needing to remove the helmet and risk spinal injury.

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[Paulington]

Circular saw --> face.

Very good idea, thing is most Paramedics tend to be quite skilled at helmet removal, and as long as it isn't far too small for you they are easily removed if someone/something holds your neck still.

Could give you the few critical seconds though?
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[garth]

Could always use an oscillating tool like a Fein Multimaster. They use similar things for cutting off casts, as it doesn't spin it's less likely to muller the skin.
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[Genital Giant]

Broken back or not, I'd be shouting, f**k off and don't you dare touch my Shoei with that gaddam thing!!!
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[Genital Giant]

Well, I must admit. I'd prolly be severely concussed & be talkin several sorts of shite anyway, and if I was the first aider I'd prolly ignore myself.
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[Nixon]

That is absolute bullshit! if i have an airway compromised patient - any patient not just a biker - exposing the lips is not my primary goal, i need proper airway maintenance! I need to be able to open the mouth, i may need to extend or flex the neck in order to gain a natural airway position. i need to get my hands on each side of his head to manipulate the jaw and i need to immobilise his neck for any possible c spine injurys. Leaving a helmet in place is purely and simpley not an option to do anything safely!

Secondly it takes two people and less than 20 seconds to safely remove a helmet giving me FULL access where as this would take much longer, much more expensive and give me half the result.

Thirdly: the position of the head in that picture is only good for one thing, which is intubating! (putting a tube into the trachea and using it to artificially breathe for the patient) and if my patient needs intubating immediately on scene he is pretty fubard and i wont be arsing arround with a cutter when i can safely and quickly whip his helmet off and give me full flexability and scope to work in.

Airway maintenance does not stop at exposing the lips!

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[iooi]

I think the biggest worry would be rider comming round and moving due to the cutter being close to face and having no idea what was going on.
Which would defeat the whole idea.

As the above post, as properly trained crew should be able to act as fast, in removing the helmet, as the guy with the cutter. Who then still has the problem of keeping the neck/head in place.
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Hmm, I see what you mean Nixon, we covered helmet removal in my first aid course, seems less chance of a major fuck up this way, and since you're cutting out the whole chin bar you can still do the chin lift stuff. However I can see what you mean.
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[TeddyCanuck]

Arai had already developed a removal system that requires no cutting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pfEWsUAKLk
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[Suitor_Stu]

Whilst a good idea in principle, as nixon says it would fail in practice due to the level of manipulation needed to actually open the airway in the first place. Obviously it would be somewhat useful in the situations where the victim was to be intubated or they needed to be bagged etc. but as said before too, a bit more training would probably be more beneficial in the long run.

As an aside, anyone actually used one of these oscillating saw things? We used them in Anatomy in first year and they don't half vibrate - prob not the best when a neck injury is suspected! They move rapidly, but only by a small amount, under 1cm or so, and rely on the principle that the bone (or helmet/cast etc.) is rigid and thus won't dissipate this energy as well as something soft like flesh or muscle and thus be allowed to be cut. The ones we had did have some vicious teeth on them though, so there was a good chance you could get cut by it - it just wouldn't go much below the surface...

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