So here's the script. . . .yeah another car thread

[thegubner]

I have an s reg fiesta diesel, its going to be stripped down to a bare shell. Then its going to have two bike engines put in the back. The bodywork is going to be chopped about and sheet metal will be used to change things. Its gonna be rear wheel drive and mental hopefully.

Its kept at work where we have the tools to do it and a couple of ramps to use, it needs to be road legal for use as a hill climber and novelty car.

Questions . . . What bike engines would you use? . Any gentle ideas for the engineering? . .what would you change bodywork wise?


Ta

[SoND]

[Johnny GSX-R]

Are you having a laugh??

FFS man. The entire rear floor will have to come out and you'll need a 'Z' cars style rear subframe install. For hillclimb you'll need loads of torque to compete so BUSA engines are favourite for this.

Cheapest way forward is to buy a de commisioned AUTOGRASS class 7.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O1y105ytQY&feature=related

[Johnny GSX-R]

Just remember that a bike gearbox is NOT designed to push all that weight around and they often fail on car installs.

Avoid the Kawasaki ZZR engine/box as its really weak.

You'd get a Blackbird engine now for around a grand but make sure its carbed not injected.

[binge]

You'll need an electric starter motor or winch on a reverse mechanism for your reverse gear.
Needed to be road legal.




Ben

[thegubner]

Johnny. . . . .

Engine wise, i was hoping two 1000cc nineties sports bike lumps from crashed bikes would be sufficient to push a stripped down fiesta about at a half decent pace.

Binge . . .

Good thinking batman.


We're not after building a race winner, just something quick and fun that stands a chance of not coming last, its gonna be hard but between my boss, myself and bcf i think we can do something pretty cool, cheers for the replies, all ideas and input welcome.

Andy

[binge]

So I am guessing you will be running the two bike engines side by side. Horizontal to the car.

What will you be using to drive the wheels?



Alot of the bike engined mini conversions use a modified Siera rear diff.
From the Diff box is a Sprocket. And then linked to the engine with a drive chain.

Some conversions use a shaft drive mechanism.


Just curious as to how you are going to do it with two out put shafts? Run dual chains?






Ben

[Robby]

A couple of the kit car boys have gone for early 90s CBR1000s - very cheap bikes these days. I don't remember how they sorted the final drive, but one of the projects is on www.locostbuilders.co.uk

Not sure if you'd have the width for a pair of straight-4s, unless you put them in sideways. If you do that you're going to need a pair of sprocket to driveshaft output adapters, and a way of taking the drive from two shafts and putting it into one diff.

In short, it'll take 3 or 4 years minimum, and costs 8 times as much as you originally thought, then be unreliable and largely undriveable. You'll wish you bought a caterham.

[chrisw]

[bazza]

To save time:

1. Half-heartedly hack some bits off the car.

2. Drop the car off at the scrapyard.

3. Burn several thousand quid in an old oildrum.

4. Ask everyone you know to kick your arse around whilst calling you a fucking idiot.

This will put you in exactly the same position as you'll be in at the end of your project, minus the years of wasted time.
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[colin1]

I think bazza may have a point, and thats assuming the project gets completed.

I seem to remember that Robby started a project.

From memory, I think Johny gsxr bought his bike engine powered car already made.

Virus's project to make a trailer to attach to his bike nearly ended in tears, when there was a near miss or an accident or something.

Basically vehicles are tricky to bodge together from bits that arent designed to fit together.

People do engineering degrees to help them with this stuff, as its well worth working things out first rather than just chucking stuff together on the off chance it works.

Though I have to admit I admire the balls for anyone who starts a project with no experience, and I do sort of hope they finish it, or dont kill themselves.
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[Robby]

[warped one]

Why don't you make it all wheel drive. Use 1 engine for the front and one for the rear.

Cheers

Warped
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[Blackwolf]

i do like the idea of these projects. but i think i would get half way and get stuck then give up haha.


there is a guy around where i live. with a old mini cooper with a GSXR engine in. car is coverd in carbon fiber and goes like stink.

last time i saw him he was having trouble cooling the engine ( little air flow. he said he was deciding between an roofscoop or like side scoop things at the back for the air... ( something to think about?) and your speedo wil have to be re-caliberated.


keep us updated i forone would like to know how this plannes out
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[WildGoose]

We've all been there with ideas like this I think, bazza's assesment is correct for 95% of attempts.

It's hard enough to even change an engine to something non-standard, and get it to fit and run again. Cosworth into another ford car is a popular one, and even that can turn into proper fun and games getting a working example at the end.

A cosworth engined transit very much tickles my fancy, but i'd favour buying one that someone else has poured the hassle into so I can just drive it.

You really need money to burn for these kind of things, and chances are it will never turn out right, or even turn out at all.

You need an engineer who knows what they are doing, which is why these niche engineering companies still manage to stay afloat.
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[Blackwolf]

[quote="WildGoose"]

A cosworth engined transit very much tickles my fancy, but i'd favour buying one that someone else has poured the hassle into so I can just drive it.
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ill allways give a hand...

as long as i get a go
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[karoshi]

[chrisw]

[Ariel Badger]

If I was going to build a car for fun but not a championship winner I would steer well away from multi motorcycle engines and go for the brute force of a yankee muscle engine like this https://www.northtexasamc.com/pdf/HMM_Project_HMX_Part_2.pdf Tune that and you have a decent powerplant. The car should be there just to hold the engine to the transmition and you to the steering.
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[thegubner]

Just read through the thread properly and there are some interesting replies.

Me and the boss had a good chat about an hour after posting the thread. Due to the fact that it probably will end up an abandoned money pit we have had a change of plan.

He has a lot of experience with modified fords and fords in general so we are going to strip it down as planned and make ourselves a sierra powered 4x4 fiesta.

Not the most exciting thing in the world granted but should certainly be fun.

Watch this space.