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PostPosted: 11:39 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: MPG?? Reply with quote

Anyone actually know how much air con effects you MPG?
I drive a Mondeo 2005 2l diesel and for the last few days i have had my air con on full blast but used half tank doing 90ish miles?

Maybe my cars just crap.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I refuse to carry out any research on the subject as I only get an average of 19mpg without A/C anyway. There is only one situation when the A/C gets used and that's at the car wash when the engine is only idling anyway. I don't get the big fuss with A/C in this country.

Opening window FTW.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read quotes saying up to 20%, and other quotes saying that the extra drag of having your windows open negates any saving by having the A/C off.

I don't notice any real difference in either of my cars, a MK4 Golf and a SEAT Alhambra, (both 1.9TDi) as my driving style has a much bigger impact.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car used to do 50MPG but has been creeping down to bout 39.

My air con works really well - frosty cool in seconds - only really been using it the last few days - especially as my car has black interior - really soaks up the heat when the sun has been on it.

Also i find having the window opend doesnt solve the problem of sweaty crack Confused
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
And after having climate control I'd never own a car without it now - opening window FTL in my opinion.


Well, to be perfectly honest, if it's warm enough to have A/C these days I just put the roof down as I have a cabrio, but I'm fairly sure I never used to use the A/C when I had a coupe, I'm just too stingy.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have the car regularly serviced? Something like a blocked air filter is likely to lead to reduced MPG.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not been serviced for about 9 months so its due - just spent all my money on a new bike so it will have to wait another couple of months Sad
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might as well check the air filter as it costs nothing - if it's choked then you'll know why your fuel economy is poor. If not then you'll know it's something else. I can't see a replacement air filter element coming to more than about 20 quid, which will pretty quickly pay for itself in saved fuel if your economy has dropped ~20% and you do a reasonable mileage. Neglecting basic servicing is almost always a false economy.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was talking to someone at work about this other week and as I always reset the trip when I fill up I know how it effects my economy. Been using it almost daily a couple of weeks ago in BMW 530d and it had no effect on fuel economy, about 47mpg, my assumption is that because the engine is a large heavy, torquey diesel then the pump really doesn't draw off much power, whereas a flimsy 1.6 petrol engine for instance is going to suffer quite a lot more.

I don't open the window because it messes my hair up Wink
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

RXS100_Chris wrote:
Might as well check the air filter as it costs nothing - if it's choked then you'll know why your fuel economy is poor. If not then you'll know it's something else. I can't see a replacement air filter element coming to more than about 20 quid, which will pretty quickly pay for itself in saved fuel if your economy has dropped ~20% and you do a reasonable mileage. Neglecting basic servicing is almost always a false economy.


He's right, our retail price for the air filter is £3.57 + VAT, not worth not doing it.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Re: MPG?? Reply with quote

_sketch_ wrote:
Anyone actually know how much air con effects you MPG?
I drive a Mondeo 2005 2l diesel and for the last few days i have had my air con on full blast but used half tank doing 90ish miles?

Maybe my cars just crap.


Are you saying you're only getting about 180miles to a tank!? That's terrible!!

My 2005 1.8 Focus diesel estate gets about 400miles to a tank, surely there can't be that much difference in tank sizes!? Plus the air con doesn't make too much difference really, may use 10% more fuel if that...
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you saying you're only getting about 180miles to a tank!? That's terrible!!


Yeah, definitely an underlying problem somewhere. I'd suggest getting your air flow sensor checked out. Have you worked out what MPG you are actually achieving?
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My trip comp says i am doing 350miles per full tank (used to be close to 500) but it lies like a cheap japanese watch! only does about 200/250 - well seems to be on this tank, its been getting worse every time i fill up.

I will replace my filter, its only couple of £, may have a problem with my MAF but its more likely the fuel re-map mod i have Embarassed
Made a huge difference to power but something may have gone wrong - think i will take it off.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

_sketch_ wrote:
I will replace my filter, its only couple of £, may have a problem with my MAF but its more likely the fuel re-map mod i have Embarassed
Made a huge difference to power but something may have gone wrong - think i will take it off.


Did it not occur to you that more power out generally requires more fuel in? Surely you don't still believe in the magical BHP fairy anymore?
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mythbusters did aircon against windows open and it worked out the same MPG.

My Fiesta doesn't suffer much with the aircon on, but have to turn it off if I am needing to overtake something sharpish.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
_sketch_ wrote:
I will replace my filter, its only couple of £, may have a problem with my MAF but its more likely the fuel re-map mod i have Embarassed
Made a huge difference to power but something may have gone wrong - think i will take it off.


Did it not occur to you that more power out generally requires more fuel in? Surely you don't still believe in the magical BHP fairy anymore?


i know, i fitted it when i first got the car (couple of years ago) its just recently my MPG has gone down - Thinking maybe the box has gone wrong..
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
Mythbusters did aircon against windows open and it worked out the same MPG.

My Fiesta doesn't suffer much with the aircon on, but have to turn it off if I am needing to overtake something sharpish.


Does it not cut out on full throttle? I had a W-plate Fiesta in a shiny dress (Puma), and the air-con would cut out on full throttle to give the engine maximum power for safer overtaking.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:
I'm fairly sure I never used to use the A/C when I had a coupe, I'm just too stingy.


My car was showing 33 degrees today and the steering wheel was too hot to touch. There's no way winding down a couple of windows is going to save that.

Aircon for the win! MPG? Who cares, at least I'm not sweating like a pig! Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 02 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heated grips but haven't a clue as to how much more fuel the bike uses if switched on.. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 02 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

None, they only draw about 35watts, your headlights will draw 3 times that if you've got 2 bulbs. Aircon sucks power because it's driven by a pulley off the crank, put an extra load on the engine, makes more difference to a small engine.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 02 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:


Does it not cut out on full throttle? I had a W-plate Fiesta in a shiny dress (Puma), and the air-con would cut out on full throttle to give the engine maximum power for safer overtaking.


Don't know, never needed to use full throttle to overtake but will check later on and post back. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 02 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
mistergixer wrote:


Does it not cut out on full throttle? I had a W-plate Fiesta in a shiny dress (Puma), and the air-con would cut out on full throttle to give the engine maximum power for safer overtaking.


Don't know, never needed to use full throttle to overtake but will check later on and post back. Thumbs Up


Gave it a go, and mine doesnt cut off, if anything it blows a bit more..

Cleaned out my air filter yesterday but still getting low MPG 30-35MPG if lucky - f**king hate newish cars!

sensor this, fuse that everythings electronic! why cant i have my mk2 Golf back? smack it with a hammer every 10000miles and it runs perfect!
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 02 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:


never needed to use full throttle


There is something very very wrong about you.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 03 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:


Does it not cut out on full throttle? I had a W-plate Fiesta in a shiny dress (Puma), and the air-con would cut out on full throttle to give the engine maximum power for safer overtaking.


Yes it does, I can keep it on all the time now. Thumbs Up
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